It's not always good to be a male porn star......

[Deuce Bigolo]

They call him lord of the.....W...s

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[Sam Slater]

[quote]No you have spouted a load of rubbish that flies in the science of what is known about sexuality.[/quote]

You see.....you're deluded.

[quote]The guy had another blokes jizz on his face and wanted it to happen[/quote]

Who said Steve wanted it to happen? You're doing an awful lot of assuming in this thread, alice. Look up the word 'tolerate'. I assure you that there's no 'wanting' in tolerating.

[quote]I forgot you take everything especially political correctness deadly seriously, it is not my fault you could not see what was meant as a non serious comment & took it seriously as an attack on all Welsh people and Arabs[/quote]

I reiterate: Don't shoot the messenger. I didn't type, or think-up the FAQs of this forum. Take it up with the mods if you have issues with them.

[quote] Funny it was not that long back you were lecturing about not discriminating against people with learning problems, now it suits your own needs you imply just because somebody has a different view to yours, (which like Wazza before you is always the correct view) they have a learning problem[/quote]

I implied you had learning difficulties? Did I really, or did I just ask if you did? Asking someone a question, or even implying for that matter, is NOT discriminating, or un-pc. So this line of retorting is pretty much dead in the water.

[quote]Nope, like I said in your perverted scenario anybody who breaks in to somebodies home to gang rape, torture and murder them is not going to be satisfied because daddy offers his ass up,[/quote]

You're doing it again. I never mentioned a break-in, or talked about them being satisfied. I asked you a hypothetical question about a hypothetical scenario. All this bollocks you're spouting, and talk of fighting back is just drivel. Either answer the question at face value or just admit you don't want to answer at all because the answer 'yes' is to admit I'm correct about 'limits', and the answer 'no' would show you up to be a selfish, heartless individual.

Would you have gay sex to save your wife and children from torture and death? (no break-ins, no lies, no fighting back or being locked in a garage for 12 hours with enough tools to build a tank, like the A-Team; just a simple yes, or no.)

[quote]at the risk of being called a nazi again the jews who en masse just followed their instructions to go into the gas chamber to their doom, without taking out some Germans by charging them by sheer numbers, but I would rather go down fighting with some dignity thanks.[/quote]

First the Welsh, then the Arabs, and now onto the Jews..... Bloody hell, alice; who are next? The 'Chinks'? How can you look back, in hindsight and moralise about the Jews not fighting back? If you haven't learning difficulties then there's no excuse to being a total cunt. Your life and family weren't in danger so how you can preach to the Jews in death camps is just awful. Awful, awful, awful....

[quote]I feel a need to reply, I know you don't like to hear a different opinion like many others of your type, why is why you resort to swearing like a child who cannot get their own way as in a recent discussion,[/quote]

Oh, you mean that discussion where you were being a hypocrite? Where your bigotry was as you've used on this thread, again, in claiming they're only 'jokes', while me calling you a dolt, or imbecile are no joking matter at all? Is that all you've got? Put up a fight with a bit of substance, alice, I beseech you. Make me think; make me stutter or duck a question in fear. This is too easy....

[quote]If you don't like my replies then why do you keep posting in response to me everytime I make any point you don't agree with?[/quote]

In the vain hope you might see the light? I dunno... Boredom on my part maybe? Hmmm.... Untameable, unremitting anger at your seemingly bigoted disposition and staggering ignorance? I'd say a bit of all three.

[quote]I have no interest in adding to your wank fodder of rape and murder- as you say it was depraved enough to start with and I did not think of it, you did.[/quote]

Well, you were adding to it by the thoughts of your family watching this depravity. I implore you to stop!

[quote]You only triumph in your own mind,[/quote]

And thank goodness for that, alice.

[quote]science tells us what constitutes gay, straight or bisexual. Any time a person has a sexual liason of any kind with somebody of the same gender, they cease to be straight.[/quote]

I don't know how you've the audacity to associate your idiocy with science! Your delusions hold no bounds.... You're not a scientologist are you? No scientist, at least who academia would deem reputable, would conclude someone bi, or gay on the basis of a single sexual act, let alone a 20 second clip of a man being jizzed on.

When will you mend your erroneous ways?

[Sam Slater]

[quote]like sexuality is all about the mind for instance- no it is about genetics actually.[/quote]

And why is this a contradiction? Genetics highly influence certain behavioural traits. Again, you show your ignorance.

Read more.

[Sam Slater]

One man's waffle & all that.

[Sam Slater]

[quote]No your cheromosomes define your sexual preference,[/quote]

Not strictly true, but thank you for conceding the argument. In stating this, you've proved that it's not 'what' you do that determines whether you're gay/bi, but 'who' you are.

Again, thank you.

[Lizard]

Well not like that one, maybe you could post a guy splaffing over a girls face and we can debate (I fucking hate that word) the pitfalls of bieng hetrosexual......not!

[Sam Slater]

[quote]No, delusion is thinking fucking men and having their cum on your face does not imply bisexuality.[/quote]

No it doesn't. What a grand, old word for something so specific! Check a dictionary.

[quote]they are bright enough to realise when somebody is not being 100% serious[/quote]

It's not about being bright. No one can know whether you're being serious or not; and I'm guessing the reason behind the 'Bernard Manning defence' FAQ as not being excusable is because they rightly know that lots of bigots and fascist use the 'I'm only joking' excuse to say what they want without ridicule.

[quote]unlike yourself who takes everything like that as an attack on some group, that you have appointed yourself as a guardian of.[/quote]

I've appointed myself as nothing. I give my views and state a few facts, that's all. Please show me where I've appointed myself to anything, let alone something so specific as what you accuse me of.

[quote]but means you are safe from your precious FAQ'S you like to hide behind & keep talking about.[/quote]

Again, slowly: They.......are.........not.........my........FAQs. Get it?

[quote]Your limits is total bs, no straight man or woman is going to do anything sexual with the same sex,[/quote]

You've already conceded the point further down the thread. i think you're now confused with this whole shebang! Being gay is mainly predetermined by genetics, which influences ?though I'm guessing culture and rearing may have some input? ones desires and leanings, sexually. Since we both agree that genetics before birth almost determine being gay/bi, if you're genetically straight, and commit a gay act ?be it for money, art, curiosity, hypothetic scenario? then that act will not alter your genetic make-up. Thus: a straight guy is still straight, after committing a gay act. Anybody should be able to see the flaw in your reasoning.

[quote]Why make up scenarios if you don't want therm taken literally,[/quote]

The scenario was hoped to be taken literally. It was you adding stuff on and trying to wriggle your way out of it by assuming things. I've asked you three times to take the scenario at face value and you're still ducking the question. Just face the fact that you don't want to answer it unless you can make extra hypothetical add-ons which save you from looking heartless, or wrong in this whole debate.

[quote]or act like a crybaby when somebody has to second guess your meaning, simply because you do not want to say what you meant,[/quote]

What was it that I supposedly 'do not want to say what I meant'?

[quote]

[quote]You imply a lot of things, simply because people like you do not have the guts to come out and say it,[/quote]

You're right. I do imply lots of things. You see, when someone speaks a truth, I concede, like I'm doing here. You, on the other hand, only seem to concede things that fit your presumptions. I disagree with you about not having any guts though. I just try not to jump to conclusions about people, the way you do. I sometimes fail, but not half as much as yourself.

[quote]or wish to backtrack because your scenario shows you to be a rape fantasist[/quote]

Another accusation. Steve's bi, the Welsh, seemingly, are sexually attracted to their animals, the Arabs likewise with their camels, the Jews, you seem to imply, wanted to die in those death camps because they didn't 'go down fighting' and now I'm a rape fantasist! You seem to have a habit of jumping to very big conclusions, alice. Usually conclusions that are very derogatory to the people you're thinking about at the time.

[quote]The answer despite your unwillingness to actually have a scenario-to make yourslelf look less of a sicko who dreams up rape and murder fantasies, is a simple no, my family have the same attitudes and would fight to the death- a bit of that Viking spirit and British backbone, obviously you would have your pants down spreading your ass cheeks and waving a white flag in a flash of light, not because you are selfless but because you have no spirit & like many others just roll over & comply, I bet if the mad mullahs tried to overthrow Britain tomorrow you would be right at the front of the line bending over & praying to Mecca.[/quote]

And around we go! the Welsh, the Arabs, the Jews and now back now it's time to have a pop at the Muslims. All in one thread! If you'd done your homework, you'd realise that I find all religions abhorrent. And look who comes out with a bit of spirit: the Vikings.....ahhhhhhhhh...... A coincidence that they're not seen as dark-eyed, dark-skinned foreigners? You really can't help yourself can you?

And as for your answer to the scenario I set, you've done it again by not really answering. I never gave you, or your family, the option of fighting back; I just asked if you'd commit a gay act to save them. Again, just admit you cannot answer without admitting you're either wrong, or heartless.

[quote]You call it bigotry, I call it being honest & expressing an opinion,[/quote]

Is this a confession that your honest opinions are bigoted?

[quote] See what light? how to be a nambie pambie left wing liberal, hedging his bets so as to keep the status quo? no thanks. Like I said I have ignored your posts as a rule to avoid this sort of problem, I even stopped posting in a thread the last time when you started swearing at me, like anybody who cannot debate ends up doing- reverting to type, however any time I post you seem intent on starting trouble.[/quote]

Oh grow up man. You think you can take the piss, or demonise any race/culture you don't like, calling it humour, but if I call you a dolt, or a goose-head, or an imbecile and you run off in a huff? Where's was your 'Viking spirit' then? And, BY THE WAY, on this very thread you've just called me a 'rape fantasist'. Not implied, or hinted at, but directly accused. You then say that because I pull you up on some impolite, possibly bigoted paragraph, I'm causing trouble?

[quote]There was by the way a case that a recent film was based on where some scum broke into a house in America in the 1980's, and forced the male occupants to rape the females which of course as per your 'honourable' rulebook they did,[/quote]

So, just another concession that I'm right. Unless the males were really incestual, paedophiles? Of course they'd fucking do it, if they thought by doing so their lives, as well as their family's lives would be spared.

[quote]after that they were all taken out to a field and shot in the head, by a miracle one survived- I know you don't like putting any scenario to your fantasies, but this shows that giving in does not work with these people[/quote]

Again, 'my fantasies' eh? And the conclusion of this abomination has no bearing on a hypothetical scenario, that you still haven't answered properly. Answer it if you dare??that 'Viking spirit' will give you the courage I'm sure.

[quote]Yes any scientist will tell you that sexual preference is determined by chromosomes not as you imagine just waking up one day & 'testing your limits'[/quote]

Alice, is there something seriously wrong with how your brain processes information? Where, oh where, have I said sexual preference is based on 'testing your limits'? I've been very consistent in declaring that being gay/bi is all about how you think/feel about the same sex (which, in turn, are heavily influenced by genetics). My posts are all still up for your perusal. Are you confused or simply making things up as you go along? Jesus....

I'm all for two different opinions not being able to come to any truce, but what I'm telling you here isn't really my personal opinion; it's considered FACT; facts you seem either unable to take in, or purposely rebuffing due to pride.

A straight man, can commit a gay act, without becoming gay/bi, because, as you admit yourself, being gay/bi is -mostly- genetically determined. FACT.