Big Issue Sellers...
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max_tranmere
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Re: Big Issue Sellers...
andy, not sure what you mean by complete and utter tosh. Do you think I have imagined these Romanian Big Issue sellers? Do you think that nicely turned out people who are clean shaven, have clean clothes on, have mobile phones and everyone else, actually DO sleep rough? I think it is very wrong that people claim Benefit and go and sell the mag? How come we never see people selling the magazine in the middle of the night, or at least asleep in a doorway with a pile of magazines next to them? I think you are quite nieve if you think Big Issue vendors are not on Benefit and actually sleep in doorways. Lastly, you mention how someone should contact the Big Issue if they have a gripe - I think someone should for sure!
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mrmcfister
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Re: Big Issue Sellers...
Max...there's worse things going down than this.Standing out in all weathers five days a week for ?100? Good luck to them.Big Issue have helped many.There will be a few that abuse it of course but you seem to have it in for Rumanians..they only want to make a few quid and good luck say I.
The cuddly homeless...(steel ing self for grief)
As ive mentioned before on this forum i work with the homeless/ex offenders etc.
The truth is that the homeless people think of when the phrase is used are the old "gentleman of the streets" who used to travel a route across the country every year doing old jobs.
The fact is these days they have died out now replaced (on the whole) by nothing more than alcoholics, smackheads and other assorted scumbags who are "homeless" in fac tthe term no fixed abode (NFA) should be used as they mostly sofa surf.
The thing is being homeless is the result of their actions, intresting whenever thesres the touching documentary or charity tin rattling story the person never ended up NFA because they were evicted for never paying rent/anti social behaviour or getting banged up and getting rent arrears.
Of course there are few who never caused harm etc and ended up getting shafted and the funny thing is they are not the ones who ever get the help.
Check out your local homeless centre where you'll find it as a one stop shop for your local dregg to get a food parcel, meet his mates, score some gear.
also dont forget these guys (on the whole) get benefits and could get social loans to get rented accomodation.
This isnt meant to be a sun reADER rant (inspite of the writing style!) based on what hes told by the paper this is what i work with day to day.
(please be gentle in any replies as im a nice person having to say some very unpleasnat truths)
The truth is that the homeless people think of when the phrase is used are the old "gentleman of the streets" who used to travel a route across the country every year doing old jobs.
The fact is these days they have died out now replaced (on the whole) by nothing more than alcoholics, smackheads and other assorted scumbags who are "homeless" in fac tthe term no fixed abode (NFA) should be used as they mostly sofa surf.
The thing is being homeless is the result of their actions, intresting whenever thesres the touching documentary or charity tin rattling story the person never ended up NFA because they were evicted for never paying rent/anti social behaviour or getting banged up and getting rent arrears.
Of course there are few who never caused harm etc and ended up getting shafted and the funny thing is they are not the ones who ever get the help.
Check out your local homeless centre where you'll find it as a one stop shop for your local dregg to get a food parcel, meet his mates, score some gear.
also dont forget these guys (on the whole) get benefits and could get social loans to get rented accomodation.
This isnt meant to be a sun reADER rant (inspite of the writing style!) based on what hes told by the paper this is what i work with day to day.
(please be gentle in any replies as im a nice person having to say some very unpleasnat truths)
Re: The cuddly homeless...(steel ing self for grief)
Wayne, if you think most of them are undeserving you're not going to advocate effectively on their behalf and support them etc.
Shouldn't you love your customers a bit more ?
Shouldn't you love your customers a bit more ?
Re: The cuddly homeless...(steel ing self for grief)
Ive taken the kings shilling so thats my role. Supporting someone isnt about caring from for them, infact thats the worst thing you can do in this line of work.
Dont get me wrong as i said there are people who are in a wretched state of affairs but no ones intrested in them as all resources get pumped into the least deserving.
Dont get me wrong as i said there are people who are in a wretched state of affairs but no ones intrested in them as all resources get pumped into the least deserving.
Re: The cuddly homeless...(steel ing self for grief)
I appreciate that. You don't want them to be dependent, but by virtue of the job you're doing shouldn't you be 'on their side' more than you appear to be?
Re: The cuddly homeless...(steel ing self for grief)
Totally agree but they are in the minority when it comes to being homeless.
I also work with what can be called the working poor and others with major ptoblems but have caused no problems to anyone just carried living their as best as able and believe me there are a hell of alot of those and they get little to no help.
Ive often toyed with the idea of a blog type thing along the lines of the police officer who details his daily problems/realties as at present people naturally believe the system is there to help everyone but would soon discover that the funding is pumped into the least deserving/unsavable and those who the man on the street thinks would get it dosent get anything. Funnily enough they are ones who you may have spoken to about being homeless.
I also work with what can be called the working poor and others with major ptoblems but have caused no problems to anyone just carried living their as best as able and believe me there are a hell of alot of those and they get little to no help.
Ive often toyed with the idea of a blog type thing along the lines of the police officer who details his daily problems/realties as at present people naturally believe the system is there to help everyone but would soon discover that the funding is pumped into the least deserving/unsavable and those who the man on the street thinks would get it dosent get anything. Funnily enough they are ones who you may have spoken to about being homeless.
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max_tranmere
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Re: The cuddly homeless...(steel ing self for grief)
Interesting responses there. There are of course people who end up on the streets who have had a hard time of things and can no longer cope. Some people's families fall apart, they may lose their home, they may have drink or drug problems, etc. Everything starts to sprial down and they end up on the homeless. Also a worryingly high proportion of ex-Servicemen end up homeless. I also heard recently that about 10% of the prison population are ex-Servicemen and that is something that is very sad.
I do come back to my original point however that if people are being financially supported, and have a room with a bed, a heater, and hot water, etc, then they don't need charity in the form of cash put in their hand hour to hour by kind hearted people in the street. At the very least the public should be made aware in large numbers that most Big Issue sellers are on Benefit and live in accomodation 365 nights a year - because the thinking that goes in to handing a guy outside Tesco's a pound or two as you pass him is that he will literally not eat unless he gets such charity unless he either goes to a soup kitchen, rummages through bins, or steals, in order to eat.
The public are being misled as they think that one of those means are the ONLY way the guy will have food. This is not the case. He is on Benefit of ?60.00 or ?70.00 a week. It is not fair on the public to make them feel he is literally f*cked without their help when that is not the reality.
I do come back to my original point however that if people are being financially supported, and have a room with a bed, a heater, and hot water, etc, then they don't need charity in the form of cash put in their hand hour to hour by kind hearted people in the street. At the very least the public should be made aware in large numbers that most Big Issue sellers are on Benefit and live in accomodation 365 nights a year - because the thinking that goes in to handing a guy outside Tesco's a pound or two as you pass him is that he will literally not eat unless he gets such charity unless he either goes to a soup kitchen, rummages through bins, or steals, in order to eat.
The public are being misled as they think that one of those means are the ONLY way the guy will have food. This is not the case. He is on Benefit of ?60.00 or ?70.00 a week. It is not fair on the public to make them feel he is literally f*cked without their help when that is not the reality.