(o/t?) SM Porn

[Keith]

Reading through the thread on the social acceptability of porn some comments were made about SM porn in general and Operation Spanner.

On the Spanner case, the tape that provided the evidence for convictions was never made as a commercial porn tape ? it was more a record of events for those involved. One of the participants tried to sell the tape through classifieds in the gay press which is how it came to the attention of the police. Hames was a right wing Christian in the James Alderton mould, with strong anti-porn and (perhaps more importantly), rabidly anti-gay beliefs. It is strongly felt within the UK BDSM community (and indeed the gay community) that the charges would never have been brought had the participants been heterosexual.

One of the difficulties for those of us interested in BDSM (and I speak as an active practitioner for a number of years) is that most of the SM porn available does not reflect the way it is practised by most of us. It?s not so much the actual acts themselves (many of us indulge in what we call ?edge-play?, which lay observers would regard as extreme), but the context in which these acts are represented. Too much of it is represented in contexts such as punishment, rape, abuse, and brutality. Too much of it also seems to have little or nothing to do with sex, and all to do with violence. It is rare to find a scene (let alone a movie) that shows the kind of BDSM that most of us do.

For example look at the issue of ?rough sex?. Many women love it - several pornstars here have indicated they do - and every woman I know who enjoys porn loves watching Rocco in action. However, the two US ?Rough Sex? movies put it in such a context of punishment, violence and abuse that it?s not remotely erotic. Then there is the fact that for many years in the UK it?s been perfectly acceptable to distribute videos that show young women dressed as schoolgirls being severely caned ? and always as punishment for some supposed misdemeanour. It?s so frustrating that so much of what is perceived as BDSM as a result of such material, does not reflect the reality of most of us who are into it.

Just as an aside, there?s a small group of us that would like to shoot some BDSM scenes that will represent the genuine eroticism involved. We know a lot about BDSM, but pretty much bugger all about making movies ? anyone from the industry want to help us out?

Keith

[Maxim]

You are welcome to email me to discuss feasability of potential projects. We already handle products such as those you describe and we also make them ourselves. So we know a fair bit about both sides of the coin.

Alan @ Maxim

[joe king]

'Then there is the fact that for many years in the UK it?s been perfectly acceptable to distribute videos that show young women dressed as schoolgirls being severely caned ? and always as punishment for some supposed misdemeanour.'

Well that is wrong. It never has been 'acceptable'.
The action is almost always 'motivated' in films. These contexts provide the 'motivation' for what follows. I am not sure if what you practice isn't or could be considered 'violent' by some people. In terms of BDSM I like Kym Wilde (Redboard.com) and Bruce Seven is possibly the king of lesbian bdsm. He seems to have no motivating scenarios - girls lapdancing the softish bdsm.

I don't think Rocco gets anywhere near violent BDSM.

[Keith]

In hindsight, "acceptable" was obviously not the right word. Nonetheless, videos with titles such as "College Clasics" and "Reform School Girls" featuring fairly severe canings have been available for some years through mags like Janus and Kane, and they don't seem to have had problems with the authorities (I suspect because they don't feature sex).

I take your point about motivation. My point is that "punishment" is not the only motivation for BDSM.

I also take your point that what we do may be considered violence by some people, but that may be because the context or motivation is too often presented in a violent way - lots of shouting, verbal abuse etc. I'd like to see BDSM represented in a more erotic (dare I say "loving") way. Far more of us practise BDSM in that way than as punishment.

Not seen redboard.com stuff, but what you say about Bruce Seven almost proves my point about BDSM porn failing to reflect reality. I liked Seven's stuff (though with his BDSM he essentially made the same movie over and over again with different girls), but the idea that he was the king of lesbian BDSM would be regarded as a joke by all the lesbian BDSMers I know (and I know a fair few).

I also agree that Rocco doesn't get anywhere near violent BDSM; my point was that Rocco does passionate, intense scenes that could be described as "rough sex" and that many women in my life find erotic, whereas the abuse contained within the US "Rough Sex" series turns most of them off.

I suspect that all this is of little interest to most on this forum, and would be happy to take this discussion to private mail

Keith

joe king wrote:
>
> 'Then there is the fact that for many years in the UK it?s
> been perfectly acceptable to distribute videos that show
> young women dressed as schoolgirls being severely caned ? and
> always as punishment for some supposed misdemeanour.'
>
> Well that is wrong. It never has been 'acceptable'.
> The action is almost always 'motivated' in films. These
> contexts provide the 'motivation' for what follows. I am not
> sure if what you practice isn't or could be considered
> 'violent' by some people. In terms of BDSM I like Kym Wilde
> (Redboard.com) and Bruce Seven is possibly the king of
> lesbian bdsm. He seems to have no motivating scenarios -
> girls lapdancing the softish bdsm.
>
> I don't think Rocco gets anywhere near violent BDSM.