At least 75 people killed in Iraq today..

[max_tranmere]

Everything is going backwards in Iraq now, those smug idiots Bush and Blair who invaded supposedly to make the country better, free-er, and more democratic, have made the country much much worse. Bush and Blair should both be jailed for war crimes instead of gallavanting around the world, earning millions, and acting like nothing happened. Tony Blair lives at 29 Connaught Square, London, W2. It is near Marble Arch, just off Edgware Road. Any ex-soldiers with a rifle and some powerful sights, maybe you should head down there and do us all a favour...

[Sam Slater]

You have a distorted view of socialism if you think it means giving free-reign to authoratarian regimes and the assassignation of past PMs.

[Sam Slater]

This should be a reply to Rasputin. Sorry.

[Sam Slater]

I don't know what type of socialism Max would fit into, Keith. Maybe Communism of the Kim Jong-Il variety?

[Sam Slater]

[quote]Everything is going backwards in Iraq now, those smug idiots Bush and Blair who invaded supposedly to make the country better, free-er, and more democratic, have made the country much much worse.[/quote]

Tell me, Max, if someone could snap their fingers and make the UK crime-free overnight but on the condition that the UK becomes a police state, which would you choose?

[quote]Tony Blair lives at 29 Connaught Square, London, W2. It is near Marble Arch, just off Edgware Road. Any ex-soldiers with a rifle and some powerful sights, maybe you should head down there and do us all a favour...[/quote]

Isn't this walking on thin ice where the mods are concerned? Very close to inciting murder, here. Implying he should be murdered while giving his present address is taking it a little far for me.

Compare what you've said to this: In 2007 a Mr. Mizanur Rahman was found guilty of incitement to murder for comments like:

"We want to see them [British troops] coming home in body bags. We want to see their blood running in the streets of Baghdad.

"We want to see the mujahideen shoot down their planes the way we shoot down birds, we want to see their tanks burn in the way we burn their flags."



He only states what he wants to happen, not what someone should do (or heavily imply what someone should do) like you've done, Max.

You're a very dodgy bloke walking on very dodgy ground.

[max_tranmere]

Iraq has hardly had a reduction in crime levels since we and the Americans invaded. It was safer under Saddam, at least Saddam sought out and dealt with warlords and heavy people. Now Iraq is a breeding ground for them. I think the figure yesterday was nearer 100 who were killed in those bombings. Absolutely horrific, and to think Bush and Blair talked about what they did as 'liberating' Iraq and Afghanistan! I can understand why people in those places do NOT want democracy. If they just look at the western model it is something no one would want! American presidents and British PM's get elected with about 20% of the vote, normally 30-something% of the population who vote will vote for that person, but if you add in the people who could vote but dont it is actually about 20% of the voting public who vote someone in.

Imagine saying this to people in Iraq and Afghanistan: "there is this wonderful thing called democracy in the west, it involves everyone of 18 and over having input into who becomes the government. The person who 1 in 5 of the adult population wants will win! The thoughts of the other 4 out of every 5 wont count for anything! And also it is largely about money - particularly in the USA and you Iraq's and Afghanistani people should look at this and incorporate it into your new 'democratic ethos'. The person with the biggest advertising budget and who has the wealthiest and best connected family is likely to win! And in the UK only 1 of the last 3 Prime Ministers was elected. The other 2 considered having elections but decided against it cos they would not have won them. So there you go, people would only have been allowed to vote at those 2 times if they were going to vote for the person who had just appointed themselves as PM. 'Democracy' is mainly there to benefit the ego of the person in power, not the people!" You can see why people in the middle east wouldn't want this thing called 'democracy' !!

Next, you mention about me revealing Tony Blair's home address. It is very well known, it was revealed in numerous newspapers when he and his missus bought the house, they was relentless coverage of how the mortgage was way in excess of what they earned at the time, and whenever they show anything on the tv about Blair doing something in London they will normally show his house and a roadsign which confirms the name of the square. If someone didn't know the house number they certainly would realise which house was his when they got to the square - on account of all the armed Police and rows of 'no parking' cones outside the house. Knowing where someone lives, who might be a target for extremists, is not really that big a deal. I mean we all know where the Prime Minister of the day lives (no.10), and we all know where the Queen lives (Buck House) and no one has a problem with those things being public knowledge. Anybody who wanted to 'off' someone could find out their address from the Electoral Register anyway.

[Sam Slater]

[quote]Iraq has hardly had a reduction in crime levels since we and the Americans invaded. It was safer under Saddam, at least Saddam sought out and dealt with warlords and heavy people.[/quote]

Half of the 'warlords' and 'heavy people(?)' were working for Saddam. The only warlords Saddam dealt with were the ones in opposition to him and his interests. And what do you know of pre-invasion crime levels in Baghdad? Every police report, media broadcast and newspaper article published was strictly controlled by the Ba'ath party.

[quote]Imagine saying this to people in Iraq and Afghanistan: "there is this wonderful thing called democracy in the west, blah, blah, blah......[/quote]

Imagine telling those same people that there's no chance of them being free. What percentage of the population wanting democracy and liberation does it take to warrant our intervention? 1 in 10? 1 in 5? What do we say to the 1 in 5 that wants freedom? "Tough luck"? "Yeah, we have the money, training and equipment to help but we think it's more moral to sit back and watch you suffer, thanks!"

[quote]And in the UK only 1 of the last 3 Prime Ministers was elected.[/quote]

We've been through this more than once. Please refer back to previous explanations if you're still confused.

[quote]Next, you mention about me revealing Tony Blair's home address. It is very well known, it was revealed in numerous newspapers.....blah, blah, blah....[/quote]

What planet are you on, Max? How can you not comprehend that the point I was trying to make was your definite implication of murder, not the revealing of an easily-found-out address. You passed on the complete and correct address of a former PM along with that implication which makes it serious - that was my point. It doesn't matter how easy it is to find Tony Blair's address, the fact is that you provided critical information that would assist in the crime you strongly hinted at. I don't see much difference in what you said when comparing it to Mr. Mizanur Rahman's statement, which I quoted in my previous post.

Ok, so say you were only joking...how would you explain to a judge that providing Mr. Blair's address was critical to/part of the joke?

Like I said: you're a dodgy man walking on dodgy ground.

[max_tranmere]

I am not hoping for someone to go round to Blair's house and waste him, although if I heard someone had done - just like if I heard someone had assassinated George Bush - I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. It makes my blood boil when I see the procession of hearses carrying the coffins of our young soliders and all the mourners crying, on the TV every other day. Why isn't Blair forced to attend? Why doesn't he send messages of condolence seeing as it is all his fault? No, he is too busy earning seven-figures like all ex PM's do. It makes me very angry. There is nothing we can do either, the war will go on, the body bags will keep coming back, and that one-eyed Scottish idiot (who, as I've said many times before, no one wanted as PM) will just keep going on about how they are dying for a noble cause and that it is keeping our country safe. What on earth is he talking about?!! The wars there have only put us in more danger. The 7/7 bomb attacks in London in 2005 wouldn't have happened had it not been for our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan. 52 people died. It is only a matter of time until it happens again.