Britain is broke...

[Muffinman]

It seems I am the only person who thinks the bailout of the banks - the private sector - is the reason that the public sector is facing destruction and the country is bankrupt (though no one dares to admit it).

To blame the unemployed or sick for the mess is churlish - they don't make any of the decisions that affect them, they are powerless. Certainly, if one grows up in an area with long-term worklessness, one might work a few angles - but you've got the state itself, the irresponsible media, and your neighbours, all waiting to expose a so-called scam, inflate it, and prosecute you.

Meanwhile bankrupt banks forced government and parliament to rush through a bailout plan they designed themselves, with little or no debate.

Max - yes, Britain is undemocratic too. Not surprising, when governments of both parties have had to lie about the loss of sovereignty which the triumph of the EU project necessitated.

But we are idiots if we just follow political slogans. Democracy - especially in other people's countries - is a dangerous ideal to fight and die for. It is used to con us into accepting two things - the false idea of two "goods" (what's good for me and what's good for society), and the right of the will of the majority to prevail.

How can the individual be truly happy when democracy (even when not abused by politicians and the media) makes everything contestable? Conflict is inevitable as is repression of minorities. Democracy means death to the individual.

[Muffinman]

A better banner than "democracy" to rally behind, in my opinion, would be "if it feels good, do it".

We might even get Vanessa Upton to lead us!

[Deano!]

All around the world, left leaning governments spend like drunken sailors as part of a 'scorched earth' policy. The incoming right-leaning government will then be made to look mean by cutting spending and raising taxes. After they balance the books, they gets tossed out and the cycle repeats.

[beutelwolf]

Deano! wrote:

> All around the world, left leaning governments spend like
> drunken sailors as part of a 'scorched earth' policy. The
> incoming right-leaning government will then be made to look
> mean by cutting spending and raising taxes. After they balance
> the books, they gets tossed out and the cycle repeats.

If there was one government in the world that spend like drunken sailors it was the Bush government. Not exactly left leaning...

[Muffinman]

Reggie - the loss of sovereignty is real. It is the result of a long-term project which began in the aftermath of the First World War, not the Second.

The "directives that come from Brussels" are LAWS, and have replaced "Common Law" which, in England, guaranteed our basic freedom. Compare Habeas Corpus, for example, with 28, or even 90 day detention without trial.

The whole purpose of the EU, and its forerunners, the European Community, the Common Market, and the European Coal and Steel Community, was to create SUPRANATIONAL authority. That authority is vested in the European Commission - a self-selecting and largely self-appointing bureaucracy. It, and only it, can propose legislation.

Former Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt suggested changing its name to the "European Government", calling the present name of commission "ridiculous".

The Council of Ministers, and the European Parliament, exist to give the IMPRESSION of "an entirely democratic process" but this does not fool anyone who really looks, surely?

Now I am anything but a nationalist. I make no suggestion as to what the British government, or its citizens, should do. But I do say this : -

It is strikingly obvious that the financial meltdown and bank bailouts have been treated as issues for national governments within the European Union to deal with. All have therefore become impoverished if not bankrupt. Meanwhile, the European Commission sails blithely onwards, ignoring the large minority in every country (and majority, so far, in Ireland) which does not give its allegiance to this supranational monstrosity.

International Communism didn't last. Does anyone believe that Bureaucratic Europeanism has a future?

[Muffinman]

I should have been more precise. Had the British electorate freely chosen to barter some loss of national sovereignty for economic benefits, then who could object.

But the phrase that has been done to death is actually "NO loss of sovereignty" - it is used by British politicians of all parties and they all know they are lying.

Remember, I'm saying that Britain IS broke. What remains is regional authorities, subservient to the EU government (sorry, Commission).

Having allowed "the regions" to come about, and given the stealth and lies needed to achieve this, can anyone now imagine this system working in the interests of ordinary people?

Reggie, I don't think you have grasped just how massive the current slump is. We are headed for the Dark Ages, while governed by a self-conscious "European" elite. They really think they are enlightened because they have left bourgeois nationalism behind. They are fools - but fools who live parasitically off our backs.

[Deuce Bigolo]

Not quite as broke as say

Iceland the basket case

America = technically insolvent

All one giant game of monopoly

Fuck all any of us plebs can do about it except get on with living our lives and stop worrying about the future