The government has finally broken the BNP...

[max_tranmere]

Sam Slater, I stand by what I said about how the British way of life is being destroyed and not 'changed' as such. Hearing English spoken in the street, or having neighbours who regard themselves as British, is something that exists only by chance now in inner-city areas, not by design, and the more people we take the more that will happen. Immigration IS out of control - how else can you describe Blair wanting 15,000 from eastern Europe and we end up with over one million? How else can you describe the fact that every European can come and live here (that's 26 other countries worth of people) and when you add in the people that have the right to move to those countries, their former colonies, who can then move here, the figure is literally hundreds of millions. On the issue of Sharia Courts, people who have no respect for our judicial system and want another way of doing things are going to want that way of doing things more and more - and as the numbers increase there will be more pressure for us to adapt our way of doing things to suit them. I dont agree with you that Sharia Courts are a kind of local-level thing which operate under the ultimate umbrella of the British Courts. Sharia Courts in Britain have more power than that. It was not because of 'the incompetence of individual officers' that muslim demonstrators with their very offensive placards weren't arrested - this was a directive from up on high. The Police who are despatched to oversee a large demonstration don't just do what they like - they are told by senior commanders that their position should be towards this and that on the day. They were clearly told to have a softly-softly approach, evident by the fact no one was nicked at the Danish Embassy protest or at that thing recently where the Dutch MP arrived in Westminster. Some of the vilest things that have appeared on banners in this city in years. One guy even arrived dressed as a suicide bomber at the Danish Embassy protest - still nothing happened. All in the name of 'community cohesion' and 'cultural sensitivies'. Instead the Police threatened to arrest passers-by who complained about the offensive slogans because of THEIR 'intolerance'! That genuinely happened! The Sun newspaper pushed very hard for prosecutions of these people and eventually the Police prosecuted 4 of them, something which would not have happened otherwise. The Sun also got the 'suicide bomber' to apologise. The Police didnt care. See what happens when non muslims do something half as bad. The English Defence League, with their 'stop the Islamification of Britain' campaign get referred to as 'a bunch of thugs' by politicans - even a BBC news reader, Tim Wilcox, called them that - something way outside the BBC's remit of impartiality. No comment comes from politicans about the muslim extremists at the Danish Embassy or at the arrival of the Dutch MP. I dont have an issue with people in a free society having Police protection - obviously. It is what could be described as almost grovelling to Islamic protesters, an extreme level of protection and reluctance to arrest, and passers-by who complain about how offensive these people are being getting threatened with arrest instead, that is what I have an issue with.

[max_tranmere]

I never said anything about the BNP having changed. I clearly stated that I support their pro British views but I could never support the party as they have views on how the Holocaust never happened and they have said they want all non-whites kicked out of Britain. This was 10 years ago and they claim to have changed their views. I'm not sure if they have. So I dont support them and never will. I never said anything about them having 'changed'. I said that I could understand how a lot of poor, dis-enfranchised, neglected people may vote for them though as none of the main 3 parties care about those people and the BNP are the only people who come near their street. Those people may not see the anti stuff, just the pro British stuff, and find the BNP appealing.

[Guilbert]

>Have you seen these fascist types, Max,

And the Asians are such lovely law abiding people

[Guilbert]

>You might have had a point of you said "a small number," or even "a sizeable percentage," but to claim 99.9% of BNP
>support have no ties/sympathy for the old NF is something I couldn't agree with.

From BBC web site TODAY

Headline: Alleged BNP member list is leaked

They include former senior members of the military, doctors and academics.......

So not all knuckle dragging morons as some people would like you to believe.

[davey]

the BNP couldnt have hoped for this amount of publicity in a million years.all day they have been on the news with the leak of the new membership list and they havent even been on Question Time yet.wait until friday it will be the number one news item.you have to ask yourself just what is the establishment so scared of?if the BNP are knuckle dragging scum with no brains then surely they can be defeated by rational arguement not this hysterical smear campaign.Nick Griffen and the BNP must be laughing all the way to the bank.every smear story reinforces their status as the underdog battling for the native Brit population against the evil government who want to swamp Britain with foreigners and crush the white people.i cant wait for next years membership list to be leaked and you see black and asian members names exposed and they get sacked from their jobs.i wonder if we will see white people in the UAF going round to their houses smashing the windows and puting dog shit through the letterbox?

[David Johnson]

Good, you have clearly got my point.

There are some extreme fundamentalists who need to be/ are being arrested and charged.
There are also some white people who are out and out pillocks.

I dont think of the entire white population as being Nazi, racist scumbags. A small number are.

Nor do I think of the entire Muslim population as being extreme in their political views. A small number are.

[David Johnson]

Max

"I believe 99.9% of the people who vote for them are NOT the jackboot, skinhead thug, element that used to be their core support when they were a smaller organisation"

"I never said anything about the BNP having changed"

The above are both your quotes. The first quote indicates you are arguing a change to me in the sense that their support has changed.

My point is that even though Griffin's tactic of putting a thug in a suit has helped gain electoral support, together with the Recession, the views of people like the BNP National Press Officer indicates that it is still the same old racist, fascist claptrap blaming everything that goes wrong in life on people who happen to have a different colour skin.

David

[max_tranmere]

David, you are right that it's only a small minority of any population that are militant thugs, but when it comes to Islam even the 'moderates' arent fervent in the condemnation. There is always an 'if, but and a maybe' tagged onto their mild criticism of what has just happened. It is true of muslim MP's aswell as members of the public. "Well if Britain wasn't in Iraq the 7th July bombings wouldnt have happened" and "In terms of the future, there is less of a chance of a repeat of 7th July if only Britain was to leave the middle-east". This is similar to how the late US Senator Ted Kennedy used to "comdemn" the IRA. It means they more or less disapprove but they totally understand why the people do it - therefore they are voicing a kind of luke-warm support. I would love to hear moderate muslims in Britain, and muslim MP's, saying things like "I absolutely unequivocally condemn what has happened - full stop!". You rarely, if ever, hear that.

[max_tranmere]

David, not sure what you are saying there. I stated that the kind of supporters they now get are differnt, I didnt mention the party having changed.

[David Johnson]

There have been many, many condemnations from the Muslim community of militant thugs.
What some of the Muslim leaders have said, quite rightly in my opinion, that dealing with the extremists has been made harder by the fact that Blair and Bush went to war in Iraq, resulting in the slaughter of at a conservative estimate, 60,000 Iraqis, on a false premise. That premise was that there were weapons of mass destruction that Saddam could launch at minutes' notice. The Labour government was totally unable to support this view during and after the Iraqi war.
The UK intelligence community rightly warned the Labour government that invading Iraq on such limited evidence would increase rather than decrease the threat of Muslim terrorism.
The families of those soldiers who lost the lives in Iraq, correctly in my view, want Blair arrested.
Cheers
David