Nick Griffin was a WINNER on Question Time.

[davey]

that says it all really.the establishment had the chance to destroy the BNP for good on thursday night and they missed it.if they could have pinned him down and made him admit to denying the holocaust and being a racist it would have been a mortal blow but like ever good politician he managed to wriggle out of it.when asked directly by the Asian man where he would like him to go Griffin got the chance to state the BNP's policy that they only wanted to deport,bogus asylum seekers,foreign criminals and people not loyal to Britain and everyone else regardless of colour stays.Massive media exposure, a nearly fourfold rise in support and several thousand new/potential members who do you think is having the last laugh?i dont think the BNP will be crushed anytime soon.they have only attracted support as they have watered down their policies.to attract more support they will need to keep watering down their policies until they resemble the Tory party of the 70's and 80's.Griffin is a seasoned political campaigner and he will have learned from the other night and i cant see him walking into another ambush like tthat.that was the most hostile, partisan audience i have ever seen on QT.he made some good points that were greeted with silence as the crowd knew they couldnt boo him for what he said.it reinforced his victim status as the embattled champion of the white British and the public saw it for what it was ,a farce

[David Johnson]

Hi Davey,
"the establishment had the chance to destroy the BNP for good on thursday night and they missed it"

No this is incorrect. Far right parties always tend to do well at times of recession. The idea that a party can be "destroyed" by a 50 minute TV programme is wrong, I think. Jade Goody was a bit of a pillock even before she came out with her racist claptrap and even she made millions out of people wanting to read about her.


"if they could have pinned him down and made him admit to denying the holocaust and being a racist it would have been a mortal blow but like ever good politician he managed to wriggle out of it"

You were obviously watcing a different programme to the one that I saw. Re. the holocaust denial, he started off by saying that it was untrue. When Dimbleby started pressing him, he changed tack and said that because of EU law he couldnt talk about it. The argument he was using, which was a lie by the way, was that he wasnt able to talk about the conviction in Britain. And then finally, when he had given up the ghost he admitted that he had said ant-semitic things in the past but he didnt know why.
Have a look at Iplayer, Davey, if you cant remember it. Didnt come across like being a good politician to me. More a plonker.

finally Davey there are a host of youtube and google videos around in which Nasty Nick comes out with anti-semitic and Holocaust denial bollocks. If you want any of the links, just ask me, Davey.

"when asked directly by the Asian man where he would like him to go Griffin got the chance to state the BNP's policy that they only wanted to deport,bogus asylum seekers,foreign criminals and people not loyal to Britain and everyone else regardless of colour stays."

The Asian guy was obviously a lot smarter and funnier than Griffin. I loved the line about having a whip round to send him to the colourless environment of the South Pole. Davey, the problem that the BNP have with all of this is their constitution states they want to turn Britain back to the ethnic mix of 1948. Explain how they are going to achieve this Davey? How are they going to deal with a city like London, which Griffin said earlier in the week after his pasting, that has been "ethnically cleansed". You think people believe that he is not going to do anything about that if he had a chance?

"they have only attracted support as they have watered down their policies.to attract more support they will need to keep watering down their policies until they resemble the Tory party of the 70's and 80's."

You are spot on here, Davey But the problem with that approach, Davey, is going to be when Nick tries to change the constitution or the party line further The BNP has always been a racist, Nazi party and its key cronies aint going to be keen on seeing all those changes happen. As you rightly said in your previous post, Nick didnt come across very well. Personally I can see a party split coming along if Nick continues with his, we are not racist, fascist shtick.

Cheers
D

[dynatech]

I'm no supporter of Griffin or his party, but that Question Time was a disgraceful episode of bullying. The 'Biggest Twat' on that panel was undoubtedly Jack Straw, an odiously dishonest man who was jumping around having to answer questions like he was dancing on hot coals. Dimblebore did not do his reputation much good either.
Griffin is right when he recognises the "political elite" as all these parties are basically telling those who voted BNP they are all racist and wrong. It doesn't take a lot for Nookie Bear to look a twat, but QT was too busy falling over itself to barrack him to make any sense. Perhaps a good point to mention is when he stated the BNP policy on war & the middle east - he accused the main parties of being about to wage war on Iran - and none of them chose to deny this!

[David Johnson]

Davey,

You said "if they could have pinned him down and made him admit to denying the holocaust and being a racist it would have been a mortal blow but like every good politician he managed to wriggle out of it"

Look at this link and then scroll down and play the vid, Nick Griffin and the Cook Report 1997

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=n ... griffin+j#

Now either Nick can argue:
1. Cook gave me acid. I had a brainstorm and when I came round I had said on camera lots of silly things.
2. I was in my 40's when this was taken which was my adolescent phase and Jews are my best friends now.

Neither explanation is very convincing is it, Davey? I would hope this stuff gets a far wider showing nearer election time.

At this point Max, who hates to see Griffin getting picked on by everyone, particularly the Labour party usually says "David, don't you know that there is a Jewish BNP councillor?"

The following explains why the BNP has changed its focus from hammering Jews to hammering Muslims

"Nick Griffin has made it clear that this shift in emphasis is designed to increase the party's appeal. On one occasion, he stated, "We should be positioning ourselves to take advantage for our own political ends of the growing wave of public hostility to Islam currently being whipped up by the mass media".[120] In a speech to local party activists in Burnley in March 2006, he said:

We bang on about Islam. Why? Because to the ordinary public out there it's the thing they can understand. It's the thing the newspaper editors sell newspapers with. If we were to attack some other ethnic group ? some people say we should attack the Jews ? But ? we've got to get to power. And if that was an issue we chose to bang on about when the press don't talk about it ? the public would just think we were barking mad. They'd just think oh, you're attacking Jews just because you want to attack Jews. You're attacking this group of powerful Zionists just because you want to take poor Manny Cohen the tailor and shove him in a gas chamber. That's what the public would think. It wouldn't get us anywhere other than stepping backwards. It would lock us in a little box; the public would think "extremist crank lunatics, nothing to do with me." And we wouldn't get power.[121]

In short, Nick is a lying fantasist - when he couldnt get any dosh out of Gaddafi in return for his anti-Jew policy, he appears to have decided to blame everything on the Muslims instead.

This link contains more

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 284168668#

Cheers
D

[Cynical Sids Old Pal]

You have a point thereDynatech.Jack (Man of) Straw came across about
as effectively as a weasel trying to balance on a greasy lengthy of string.
Dimblebum is supposed to be an Impartial Chairman...oops Chairperson.
He was as impartial as an Italian Boxing Judge,(No offence to Italians meant
.It seemed as if Auntie Beebie and co had decided (as they often do)
that they would give the public watching what they wanted them to watch,
Not what everyone wanted to see,which was a proper QT,with a variety of Topics,
a balanced audience,and genuine debate.Not a choreographed attack on an unpopular(among some people) MEP,and Party Leader.
I am not a member of the BNP.haven't voted for them,but in my part of
the country there are a lot of people who have.They may be misguided ,to put it mildly,
but they are allowed to vote for the candidate of their choice.
This country is not booming ,there are not enough jobs,there are too many
"economic" asylum seekers,illegal immigrants etc etc etc etc.Hence the rise of the BNP.
Any how IMHO Griffin did come out a WINNER on QT,unlike
Jack(as much fun as a boil in the nick of your arse)Straw.

[one eyed jack]

Nick Griffin cant lose out either way can he?

He goes on Question Time and doesnt appear to look as smart and articualte as I expected a leader of a party to come across so everyone thinks he was bullied!?

He came across just like I knew he would and I was one of those who supported the idea of him being seen on national TV

He appeared to be a man with a half cocked plan with policies all based on race.

The BNP would bring this country to its knees. If there is one important lesson to be learned to the BNPs popularity is that immigration has to be curbed.

There is nothing racist in that argument. This country is in a recession with people being made redundant all over the place. The last thing people of any colour should see is more state handouts.

Time to start reguating those numbers coming in.

Nick did do a good job of fucking up though. So what if he got a couple comments in about the muslims and knocking jack straws old man for avoiding the last war. The moment he went off on that tangent, he left himself wide open to attack.

He wasnt bullied at all.

So where was his BNP supporters then? Maybe they all bottled it being seen on national tv.

Typical that isnt it. How dost thou forsaken him?

Funny he says he is the most loathed man in Britain...Well if he was doing something nice like helping old ladies across the road and mucking in with the long shoremen on the docks he might actually go up in peoples estimation as a nice guy.

Banging on about muslim womens oppression in their own country while campaigning for supporters to kick them out of the UK isnt going to cut it really is it?

[one eyed jack]

Those who think Nick Griffin won on Question Time should consider that his ardent supporters were never going to stray. he may have picked up a few but I reckon he lost alot of credibility from the "fuck you" voters who probbaly woke up out of their hate fuelled haze and realised they cannot vote for a man who will make this country worse than what any other party could do if they got in.

Might as well vote for The Monster Raving Loony Party. We wouldnt be wasting time with huge debates like this if they were still around.

[max_tranmere]

One Eyed Jack, Griffin said on Question Time: "I am the most loathed man in Britain, by Nazi's". This has been misquoted like crazy by the 'popular' press for the last few days. The reason he went on about little other than things to do with race was because that is all he was asked about.

David Dimbleby is a man who only got to do what he does because his late father, the famous political TV interviewer Richard Dimbleby, had a word in the right ear and got both of his sons jobs doing exactly what he was doing. I dont like David Dimbleby, I think his brother Jonathan is much better than him.

I don't like Griffin or the BNP either but I think Girffin should be on such programmes because, as the BBC said, if someone has 1m voters they have to be allowed to appear on such programmes as they now have a mandate from the people.

Griffin and the BNP are about to lose big-time though - as I said on another thread the Government will just keep changing the law to ruin them.

[max_tranmere]

oej. In all seriousness if the Monster Raving Loony Party got 1m votes they WOULD be on Question Time as the broadcasters have to put on their shows people who have large support throughout the country. I think Griffin lost the battle (the QT show) but appears to have briefly won the war - with the fact more people are apparently joining the BNP and his appearance on the QT programme has got everyone talking. It only seems like he's won long-term though. As I said it my last comment the BNP are about to be destroyed by the Government. There is no real democracy. Also if you look at the venom towards the BNP from the print media in recent days it seems likely they will do that to the BNP building up to every future election too.