Oliver Cromwell...

[max_tranmere]

This should make an interesting debate. Many regard Cromwell as a savage who did to Ireland and its people what Hitler did to Poland and it's inhabitants. Others say that no other individual ever did as much to further the rights of the ordinary man, pioneer parliamentary democracy where unelected nobody's now have no power (the Royals) and it is because of him that the people have since had the power, and the right to elect who they want to represent them.

One thing I've always found ironic is that if you take Northern Ireland, it was said that the biggest thing the Nationalist/Republican people wanted, other than for Britain to leave and partition to end, was full voting rights for their people and for them to have an input into the political system. Something that has only recently been implemented for them. Those people would be some of the most staunch haters of Cromwell over what he did to the Irish Catholics - yet it was the thing that he pioneered, parliamentary democracy, and one-person-one-vote, which those people wanted above all else. What do people think about Cromwell, what he did, and his legacy? Historians have mixed views.

Something I've always found interesting and incredible is that Oliver Cromwell is buried under Tony Blair's house. He was dug up by the Royalists, three years after he died, was hanged at Tyburn (where Marble Arch now stands), then beheaded and his headless body slung into a pit just to the north. That area was all fields then and Connaught Square, where Tony Blair now lives, was built on top of it. Tony Blair was Britain's first Catholic prime minister, and he ends up buying a home on top of where another parliamentatian, Oliver Cromwell, who was cruel to the Catholics (here, in Ireland, and in Scotland) like no one else has ever been, is buried. There are over 20,000 streets and squares in London and where does our first Catholic prime minister end up living? Right on top (literally) of Oliver Cromwell...

[Sam Slater]

[quote]Tony Blair was Britain's first Catholic prime minister, [/quote]

Oh ffs, Max, can't you get anything right? He converted to Catholicism after leaving No. 10.

[planeterotica]

Great Song, Olivers Army !wink!

[planeterotica]

And here it is they should have gone to specsavers !cool!

[max_tranmere]

It was whilst there as far as I'm aware but even if it was after he still becomes the first (either during or subsequently) to be, or have been, PM, and be a Catholic. And to say 'for fucks sake cant get anything right' is ridiculous, I post a lot of accurate information on here. It is also rude.

[max_tranmere]

Good to see everyone taking this seriously....

[Guilbert]

Thanks for starting an interesting debate

>Something I've always found interesting and incredible is that Oliver Cromwell is buried under Tony Blair's house.

His body MAY be buried there, it seems there is some debate about where his body is, read more at the link below.

His head was kept on display for 20 years and eventually got buried in 1960.



I was born in Putney, and Oliver Cronwell used the local church, St Mary's, for political debate called the Putney Debates which discussed the future of democracy.

[max_tranmere]

Guilbert, very interesting. I read every word of that. When it says that the likely resting place for his body is in a pit near the Tyburn gallows, that is what I always believed. The article I read some time ago mentioned the area just to the north-west of the gallows, where Connaught Square now stands, as being the location of the pit. Cromwell, and it seems very likely that his body (minus the head) is there, lies with many other people. Probably thousands of others. They never exhumed pits of bodies when they built on them. It is quite spooky to think of how many there are in London: Hampstead Heath is full of plague pits, so is Blackheath (that is why it is so called - because of the Black Death) and there are many in the West End and the City aswell.

[Sam Slater]

[quote]It was whilst there as far as I'm aware[/quote]

Blair left office in June 07.

Blair converts to Catholicism December 07.

You were never 'aware' of it because it didn't happen. You just thought you were aware.

[quote]And to say 'for fucks sake cant get anything right' is ridiculous, I post a lot of accurate information on here. It is also rude.[/quote]

Ha! We have people threatening to kill people, mocking the death of Jade Goody, racism and homophobia, constant name calling and swearing and you pull me up on 'ffs'.

OMFG Max. WTF are you on, son? PMSL!!!!!!!!