The Luton muslims....

[max_tranmere]

Reggie, anyone who lives in Britain is living under the protection of the British Army. Who would these muslim protesters in Luton expect to defend them if this country was invaded? The British Army obviuosly. If these people are totally nothing to do with this country like they imply, so much so that they don't even regard the Army of this country as being anything to do with them, then I would not expect them to call the Police if they needed Police assistance. The Police are just as much a part of what makes up the fabric of the nation as the Army is, but no, they are bound to call the Police if needed just like they will take tons of money in State handouts, free healthcare, and so on. Notice how these people are totally British when it come to taking and benefitting but totally foreign when it comes to giving or having loyalty.

I stand by my remark that if the Army is 'your Army' (not theirs), their 'Britiain this.. Britain that' comments, meaning the country is 'nothing to do with us' - instead of 'our country this.. our country that' - and the remarks they made about 'our lands' (referring to a place thousands of miles away) then they are clearing stating they have nothing what so ever to do with this country and that they are totally totally foreign. This has come from their own mouths. Therefore, let them put them money where their mouths are, let them practice what they preach, and LEAVE! They wont be missed. People with attitudes like that where never wanted in this country in the first place.

And as far as the rights and wrongs of the two wars are concerned, we were all against the wars, all hated Tony Blair and his cronies for the lies that they told, but we all have loyalty to this country therefore we support our soliders. The Army, as I said in another comment recently, is a non-political body, and it is the politicans we should all be criticising and hating. A case of 'hate the Government but love the nation and the Army'. Anyone who doesn't get that can bugger off.

[max_tranmere]

Reggie, I'm not sure about this 'white tribe' business. As far as the English Defence League goes they do seem to be very white but as far as the revulsion towards those fanatics in Luton heckling the troops, and who exactly was appalled at the twats who were heckling, that goes across the race lines. There are black and Asian people in the Army and I am sure they and their families would have been just as sickened as 'the whites' were when they saw and heard those scumbags in Luton barracking the soldiers.

[max_tranmere]

Sam they demand to be viewed as British, evident in the fact that they want to live here forever, and want to be seen as being the same as every other citizen in that they want all the things every other citizen gets: free healthcare, free eduation, Social Security, the Police, Fire Brigade and Ambulance service there for them 24/7, etc - so they are demanding to be seen as totally British. However their demand to be seem as a fully-fledged Brit extends only as far as those things as concerned, they are totally British when it comes to taking. When it comes to acting like a Brit and having loyalty to the country, just like they demand and take loyalty from the country, all of a sudden they view themselves as foreign. As I said in another comment above, they are totally British when it comes to taking and totally foreign when it comes to giving. To demand that you're viewed as 100% British (and will cry 'racist, racist' if you are not) and then to act in the obnoxious, ungrateful and offensive ways they have makes them traitors. This word used to be used a lot in society and is rarely used now. There also used to be a punishment for being a traitor and that should be re-introduced.

[max_tranmere]

Reggie, what did any of those people do or say that was 'racist'? Where is your evidence that they are racist people? I think it is wrong to vilify people who just want to stand up for this country and its values. If they have behaved in a racist fashion I will condemn them and change my opinion of them, but where is your evidence? Please give examples.

[max_tranmere]

Watch this, a comment from the internet social commentator Pat Condell about the muslim protestors in Luton. Condell is one of the most popular people on YouTube, have a watch:

[Sam Slater]

Personal insults? The strongest stuff I could find in my post to you was "Don't be stupid.", "you come across bigoted in your own way." and "it makes you look desperate." With racism, homophobia, general hatred, name calling and even someone going around saying people should be shot, on here, my comments were very, very tame. And they were, I thought, fair comment.

I thought I made some good points and gave you the chance to reply. You chose to make up a story about me abusing you because you had no answers to any of my challenges or queries. I can think of no other reason for your response.

Let's get down to the meat and bones:

1. Firstly you say that I said people killed in Iraq weren't our responsibility, implied I was cold-hearted and also unethical. I defended myself against this false accusation (which is the normal course of action most people take when falsely accused of something) and asked you to show me where I'd said such a thing. You shrank from the challenge.

2. You accused me of implying all Muslims are radicalised. I didn't say or imply anything of the sort, either, and again asked you to show me where I said anything that would give you that idea. You shrank away from the challenge.

3. I pointed out why I thought the term 'white tribe' probably wasn't the best and also gave a comparison of adjectives you used when speaking of the Muslim protesters against the, as you called them, 'white tribe'. I think I showed that this could be construed as a little bigotry, of sorts. It most definitely is bias.

4. You accused our media of 'hiding the truth'. That, according to common parlance and the Oxford English Dictionary can also be described as a 'cover-up'. You denied this and so I just pointed out why 'cover-up' was indeed something you were accusing our media of. You've declined to comment so far on this.

On a final note: I think it funny how when you're caught out on anything you either make out you're bored and run off, calling the other person 'boring' or 'pedantic' (despite being pretty darn boring and pedantic yourself at times). Other times you'll just falsely accuse your opponent of something so as to undermine their stance or logic to leave yours as the only respectable alternative. Lastly, it's the funniest excuse of all "I don't do cut-and-paste debates! !tears!

And as for me not saying 'boo!' in real life - please. Is this you questioning my manlihood now? Stop this nonsense, be a man and rise to my challenges if you can.

[Sam Slater]

[quote]The white Lutonites looked like they had been provided with a completely 'valid' reason to shout abuse at people with brown faces. The racism was already there, they just needed a context which was right for doing so.[/quote]

And you can prove that the 'racism was already there', Keith? I'm sure if someone said that those Muslims already hated Britain before 2001 would that be fair comment to you?

You're looking increasingly bigoted against anything western, Keith. Bigotry is bad.

[Sam Slater]

You still haven't defined 'shitty western values'. Come on, Keith, you can rise to the challenge can't you?

[Sam Slater]

Of course they're British. Being British they're allowed the freedom to protest. I'm not saying how they're going about protesting is something I agree with personally but 'traitors' is a bit strong unless you have evidence of them directly aiding our enemies abroad.

[Warpig]

Yeah i can think of a few traitors on here aswell.