13th time lucky for BNP?

[max_tranmere]

I've read everyone's comments in response to my last post and it looks like I got it wrong on the MOBO thing. I viewed it as a black music award ceremony and not one that (even though the title suggested it) was for any artist that was inspired by black music. I was of the view that as certain entities are not so overt as to describe themselves as a mono-ethnic thing, even though they are, that the MOBO's instead used slightly ambigeous terminolgy.

There is a black modelling pageant in the UK which will not call itself that but instead has the word 'Jamaica' in the name, and there is at least one major black radio station in London but it will not call itself that. It was on all day in a place I used to work and I used to enjoy listening to it as much as anyone else and it was clearly a black station it just couldn't (or chose not to) call itself that. I was wrong on the MOBO thing and I concede that, but the reason I was of the view that it WAS racial specific in who they would consider giving awards to was because of the more gentle terminolgy used with refernence to some other things (I've just given two examples) that clearly are a mono-ethnic thing yet don't refer to themselves in their name as being quite so overtly that. I got the MOBO thing wrong but it was for those reasons.

I am not quite sure why that modelling pageant and the radio station can not, or do not, refer to themselves as exactly what they are when one considers that Police and Lawyers groups, newspapers and social clubs, go all-out with the description of what they are about in their name. I am not sure why there is that inconsistency.

On the issue of how it seems to be ok in the eyes of some for social groups, newspapers and others, to be an ethnic-specific thing - and no one says anything - yet when the BNP do the same it is frowned upon, I still hold the view I had and have had for ages. I am aware that the BNP are a political party and these other things are not, but racism (as defined as 'treating someone differntly solely on the grounds of their colour, creed or religion') is in my opinion wrong where ever it may take place.

I can not understand why someone who is black or white would be turned away from an Asian elders Group, or someone who is white or Asian would be turned away at the door of a black pensioners club, and that not be seen as bad or wrong. Why are some people more inclined to socialise with people just because they look like them - rather than what their character or personality is? I can not understand it, but whatever the reason it should not be allowed. It goes on and it seems to be ok in some areas and not in others. I think it should be banned from happening ANYWHERE - be it in a political party or in any other area of our day to day life.

[jimslip]

It would be a very unwise person who mocks the BNP and their chances of gaining any power. I remember when they used to do the polls when that cow Thatcher was in power and they would always show either a hung Parliament or a Labour victory. This was because people when asked for their view, were too embarrassed to admit they were going to vote Tory.

I think the same is going to happen in the next election, many disillusioned, voters who have been drip fed the idea that they are being fucked over by every faction in society from the bankers downwards, will vote BNP. But they would never admit it to a pollster.

I cannot believe for a second that this present bunch of crooked wankers will get back in and the Tories are a mirror image of them and the Liberal Democrats aren't radical enough to make an impression.

Be afraid, be very afraid...............!adolf!

[David Johnson]

"He's right in that any organisation that omits, or refuses membership or admittance based on colour/ethnicity is indeed racist (regardless of the reasoning for discrimination)."

Yes. This is the argument that the BNP shuffle out ad nauseum. Personally, to be racist implies to me some sense of hurt, abuse etc. The BNP are racist because they use colour as the basis of a voluntary/involuntary repatriation scheme and demonisation of Caribbean and Asian people.

Having said that, Griffin has caved in over the BNP constitution so often recently it may well be in the latest version of the party's constitution to give a free Crunchie bar to each new Asian immigrant.

I don't see any particular hurt,abuse or demonisation of white people in the setting up of the Asian elders group, Max.

There is so much wrong today, let's concentrate on the big things and a racist party in Britain is a big thing. In the meantime, I will try to cope with my devastation at not being allowed to join the Asian traditional dance group!!

D

[David Johnson]

Jim

Agreed. Hitler was regarded as a buffoon in the late 20's/early 30's in Germany by the political elite.

Partly as a result of an enormous economic depression that hit Germany as a result of the First World War reparations settlement and the worldwide depression, Hitler's support was greatly increased.

Extremist groups always tend to gain ground in economic slumps as disillusionment with mainstream politics sets in.

Cheers

D

[number 6]

There is more chance of me winning the lottery three saturdays ina row than the BNP ever getting power.

[jimslip]

I'm not so sure. All they need is a makeover, get rid of the entourage of skinheads and get a leader with some charisma and they'd be on their way. Oh and get rid of "British", maybe change it to ,"The Peoples National Party" sounds better I think.

[max_tranmere]

The BNP wont ever gain power, they dont even have one seat out of the 650-odd that there are in Westminster. They may win Barking & Dagenham this year but that will be only one seat. It is also worth remembering that there are limits to what a Government can do anyway, this is not Uganda in the 1970's. If Griffin and co were to become the Government, they wont but let's pretend they did, then even if they tried to implement a policy of throwing all the non-whites out of the country they could not do it anyway. The Queen has the power to implement the nuclear-option if necessary and sack the Prime Minister and his Government.

[jimslip]

I think this country is more ripe for some kind of revolution than at any time I've ever seen.I think unless a new party addresses the concerns of ordinary people, we will have a problem in the next 5 years.

[max_tranmere]

David it is the reason WHY you would not be allowed to join the Asian dance group that I think is worth discussing. Let's pretend you wanted to and you were amongst a small minority of white people who are spread out across a very Asian district in a suberb of a Lancashire town or in Southall in west London. You are into dance, let's say, and so are all your neighbours (you are the only white person living in your street). They want to join that group at the end of the street and so do you. You all go along and are told that they only accept people who are of a certain backround - your neighbours are all alowed to join but you are told you can not because of your ethnicity. Surely this is wrong. It should also be illegal, but for some reason it is deemed ok.

[RoddersUK]

I still think that this so called party should be proscribed.
If Broon had any balls he would get the idiot Straw to draw up the necessary requirements and then get up in Parliament and declare the festering pile of shyte who call themselves the British National Party illegal as we know it. I am sure that if they, Broon and co, wanted to it could be done.