Somalia

[Sam Slater]

[quote]If porn historian means ban aid as then the corrupt officials have nothing to sell on,and thus might engage in a dialogue to find a solution,i can see his point-albeit whilst people starve......[/quote]

Albeit.........exactly. Stop criminals by starving the innocents. I can see his point too, it's just an ugly, stupid, abhorrent point.

[quote]Sam, can you explain why the UN are at fault as Im not up to speed on this issue,much as id like to be.....[/quote]

I've been through this with David Johnson, at length. Search for 'somalia' and 'UN' in this forum's search and you should find my opinions and what I mean. Alternatively google 'Somalia genocide Mogadishu UN'.

To sum it all up (and this includes Iraq/Afghanistan as well), I'll leave you with a quote from Anglo-Irish politician Edmund Burke:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

[Sam Slater]

There you go again, saying it's something that won't go away while in your first post you thought you had the ideal solution for making it go away. What do you actually believe, porn historian?

You've never answered any of my questions, nor commented on this belief of yours that it's ok to punish the most desperate, poor and innocent people of Somalia for the crimes of a few bandits.

Your 'solution' seems to involve starving people to save money and punishing the innocent. Please confirm this crazed philosophy because everything within me says you can't be as evil and sociopathic as that.

[Alex L]

David

Not quite sure what you are getting at, I certainly made no mention of the war in Iraq or the bombing of Iraqi civilians, with which I certainly do not agree! In fact I did not and still do not agree with the Iraq war or the current involvement in Afghanistan.

I do however consider that the various members of the armed forces, having been sent by the politicians, deserve the support of the British people.

My comment was only in regard to the abuse, by some Somali asylum seekers, of British hospitality.

One would hope that having been given a chance to escape what is happening in their country, they would be quite thankful for the opportunity of a new life here, but in the context of the article, apparently some are not.

[David Johnson]

Hi Alex
Fair comment! I guess I was replying to what I took to be your general point
"It is of course the 'British' way to only see good in people "

I doubt if the above is the approach used when Britain built the biggest empire the world has ever seen in the first part of the 20th century. And it certainly wasn't the approach which demanded the invasion of Iraq.

Secondly I think there are a number of European countries where the immigrant population as a percentage of the total population is higher. And where immigrants get a better deal. I am thinking of the Scandinavian countries in particular.

Cheers
David

[Sam Slater]

No, you're confused. I mean, really confused. Have you given this any thought at all or did you just go with your initial gut opinion?

Let me explain:

1. You want to deny aid to tens of thousands of poor, war-torn, desperate people just in the hope (because that is all it is - 'hope') that it will start off a chain reaction that will make a single couple's release happen.

2. #1 is a supposed solution to this problem with pirates.

3. You're of the opinion that the problems in Africa are 'a lost cause'. If you think the problems in Africa can never be overcome then obviously your opinion in #1, that withholding aid will secure the release of one captured couple, contradicts your view in #3.

4. I'll humour you. Say you and I are the main men that make all the decisions in this isle of ours (zuess help us!) and I say go with your plan and withhold aid, punishing millions; say it works to release that couple and you look at me all smug and stuff; I then go with your plan and stop all aid to African nations who need help because I too have come round to your view that Africa is a lost cause.......imagine that. Now, porn historian, what do we do when the next couple/party of westerners are captured by pirates? We've already stopped the aid so African governments have nothing to lose any more. Africa is a lost cause, remember, so it will happen over and over again until all westerners completely avoid the place. Your bright, moral and intelligent idea has secured the release of one couple so obviously a man of your intellect would have considered the exact scenario I'm hypothesising here so I'm sure you have the answers I'm looking for and I'm silly worrying. Yes?

[David Johnson]

Sam,
Do you ever get the impression that you might be talking a different language? Or alternatively, you are from a different planet?
Cheers
D