I'll tell u who should be next Eng manager...
I'll tell u who should be next Eng manager...
Jurgen Klinsmann...........you may laugh but I think he'd be the perfect choice and bring that German efficiency to our game. Speaks perfect English, has great domestic and national experience. Knows the English game and is respected. If you cant them...join them!
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Roy Hodgson.
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I think this time a English manager is required.
In my opinion the ideal candidate would be Roy Hodson who has international experience with Switzerland and club football in both Italy and Sweden as well as England.
Put him on a two year contract up to the 2012 European Championships to see how he goes.
No more long term contracts as in the case of Fabio. It costs far too much for the FA to get rid of them i they fail.
Get a couple of younger coaches to work and train under him say Stuart Pearce and Becks ready for a smooth take over when he retires, and to look after the England Olympic Games team. One we need to win has it is being played on home soil. Both those guys have England in their blood.
Drop many of the older players in the team who have failed the country in two World Cups now and start with a younger squad which should be kept together even if we lose a few matches on the way.
This has proved successful in this World Cup both for the Germany and Ghana both of which have kept many of the players who won the European Under 21 championship(Germany) and the Under 20 World Cup(Ghana)
In the case of Germany they beat England 4-0 in last years Under21 final
I don't see any of the English players from that day being given a chance in the full squad or even managing to get in their club teams due to all the foreign signings in the Premier League.
This could also be the same problem with the Italian team with no younger players coming through.
When Inter Milan won the European Cup this year I don't think that one Italian player started in their team
In my opinion the ideal candidate would be Roy Hodson who has international experience with Switzerland and club football in both Italy and Sweden as well as England.
Put him on a two year contract up to the 2012 European Championships to see how he goes.
No more long term contracts as in the case of Fabio. It costs far too much for the FA to get rid of them i they fail.
Get a couple of younger coaches to work and train under him say Stuart Pearce and Becks ready for a smooth take over when he retires, and to look after the England Olympic Games team. One we need to win has it is being played on home soil. Both those guys have England in their blood.
Drop many of the older players in the team who have failed the country in two World Cups now and start with a younger squad which should be kept together even if we lose a few matches on the way.
This has proved successful in this World Cup both for the Germany and Ghana both of which have kept many of the players who won the European Under 21 championship(Germany) and the Under 20 World Cup(Ghana)
In the case of Germany they beat England 4-0 in last years Under21 final
I don't see any of the English players from that day being given a chance in the full squad or even managing to get in their club teams due to all the foreign signings in the Premier League.
This could also be the same problem with the Italian team with no younger players coming through.
When Inter Milan won the European Cup this year I don't think that one Italian player started in their team
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Surely the time's now come for a total reorganisation of the game in England. The FA, the management set-up, the youth system, caps on the number of foreign players, etc. etc. (I read somewhere recently that on the opening Saturday if the Premier League in 1992, there were just 13 non-UK foreign players in the entire Premiership - now in 2010 you'd probably be hard pressed to find 13 Englishmen!).
And of course the cult of celebrity and demi-godhood surrounding decidedly mediocore players doesn't help either - makes them believe that they're something special when really, they're just VERY average.
There's so much money washing around but the game's all about greed and image now. The marketing men and Sky TV run the show. The sporting side seems to be of secondary importance. So really, we shouldn't be too surprised every time things go tits-up at a major tournament.
- Eric
And of course the cult of celebrity and demi-godhood surrounding decidedly mediocore players doesn't help either - makes them believe that they're something special when really, they're just VERY average.
There's so much money washing around but the game's all about greed and image now. The marketing men and Sky TV run the show. The sporting side seems to be of secondary importance. So really, we shouldn't be too surprised every time things go tits-up at a major tournament.
- Eric
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David Johnson
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"Surely the time's now come for a total reorganisation of the game in England"
Agreed. In my opinion, its not about getting in this or that manager. We have already been down the holy grail of manager route. Remember Kevin Keegan, McLaren who has been very successful subsequently in Holland, Ericsson who had a great club record, likewise Capello, Glen Hoddle who had a good club record etc etc etc?
THe bottom line is that the players are just not good enough and that has been clear now for almost 14 years since Euro 96 which had a pretty good England footballing display.
Why are they not good enough? I suspect the FA is run by a bunch of hopeless duffers, the Premiership is totally run for big business with the fans treated as idiotic money machines. You just have to compare ticket prices with German grounds to see the difference. In England it is all short termism with the Premier League teams stuffed with quick fixes i.e. the finished article from abroad, bought with the obscene amount of money provided by the supporters via Sky etc. THe top teams only have a small handful of English players.
Its difficult to see a way out of this because as we all know when big business gets a grip of something i.e. our national sport, the English team will always be a loser.
As for Rooney, he justifiably has had stick for his poor performance but we need to remember that it was the Premier League's insatiable desire for success which led to Rooney being played in League games when he clearly wasnt fit. He was literally hobbling around the field.
You wouldnt treat donkeys on Blackpool beach like that without getting a criminal conviction.
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Agreed. In my opinion, its not about getting in this or that manager. We have already been down the holy grail of manager route. Remember Kevin Keegan, McLaren who has been very successful subsequently in Holland, Ericsson who had a great club record, likewise Capello, Glen Hoddle who had a good club record etc etc etc?
THe bottom line is that the players are just not good enough and that has been clear now for almost 14 years since Euro 96 which had a pretty good England footballing display.
Why are they not good enough? I suspect the FA is run by a bunch of hopeless duffers, the Premiership is totally run for big business with the fans treated as idiotic money machines. You just have to compare ticket prices with German grounds to see the difference. In England it is all short termism with the Premier League teams stuffed with quick fixes i.e. the finished article from abroad, bought with the obscene amount of money provided by the supporters via Sky etc. THe top teams only have a small handful of English players.
Its difficult to see a way out of this because as we all know when big business gets a grip of something i.e. our national sport, the English team will always be a loser.
As for Rooney, he justifiably has had stick for his poor performance but we need to remember that it was the Premier League's insatiable desire for success which led to Rooney being played in League games when he clearly wasnt fit. He was literally hobbling around the field.
You wouldnt treat donkeys on Blackpool beach like that without getting a criminal conviction.
CHeers
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Bob Singleton
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The FA is run by incompetent amateurs, yet the FA runs the richest sport in the country. Time for a complete restructuring of the way the game is administrated.
No competitive games for players under 14 years of age. Youngsters should be taught skills... if they're good enough they'll progress and "win" at higher levels, but the "win at all costs" mentality we currently have with players of 8 or 9 years of age is stifling any talent there may be.
England managers to get a maximum of a two year contract starting from the beginning of one competitive cycle (be it World Cup or European Championships) and ending after England's final game in that cycle. If the team do well (ie even if they don't win, they come home with pride having played well, etc) the manager may be offered another two years.
There also needs to be a major overhaul of the Premiership, the so called and self styled "best league in the world". Salary caps should be introduced so that clubs may not pay out more than, say, 50% of their revenue in salaries. Furthermore a "First Team Squad" of 25 players should be announced at the start of each season comprising no more than 8 non-English players, of whom a maximum of 4 may play in a game. Players from the reserve and youth squads under the age of 19 but not in the original "First Team Squad" may also be included in match day squads.
The number of games played must also be reduced. A good run in the FA Cup, League Cup and Champions League, plus international matches will see top players playing 60 or so games a season. It may devalue the competition (isn't it already to a certain degree anyway) but Premiership clubs should only be allowed to field a maximum of 4 players from their "First Team Squad" in the League Cup. The Premiership itself should be reduced to 16 clubs, leaving 30 fixtures, all to be played at 3.00pm on a Saturday (fuck what Sky want, what is best for the game must come first above any commercial interests)
With regard to the immediate aftermath of the current World Cup campaign. Fabio Capello should be sacked without compensation. I'm sure his contract stipulates certain duties and expectations, and I wouldn't mind betting he failed more than one of these, in which case he is in breach of contract and therefore undeserving of compensation for early termination. While not all the blame should be heaped on him, you have to seriously question the tactical thinking behind replacing Defoe with Heskey when going 3-1 down! The fact that he rigidly stuck to 4-4-2 in all the games shows he is tactically inept and unsuited for international management at the highest levels. Turning the England training camp into a virtual prison didn't help either!
Most of the players should take a long hard look at themselves too and do the honourable thing and retire from international football so as to allow a new generation of players to come through. Yesterday they played like headless chickens. What the fuck was Terry doing so far up the pitch with 30 minutes to go, leaving us open to the two counter-attacks that led to the third and fourth German goals? What the fuck did Gerrard think he was doing, going for glory and shooting from all angles and ranges every time he got the ball? I would ask what the fuck Rooney thought he was doing, but I can't as he wasn't actually doing anything... for the fourth game in a row!!!! Glen Johnson proved in this tournament that we have a major problem at right back if he's the best we've got, and the majority of the team were shown up for their lack of pace, lack of ingenuity, lack of TEAMWORK, lack of skill and lack of HEART!!!
Finally, the media... a harder one to do anything about, but banging on about the war 65 years after it finished is of no help whatsoever. Invoking the images of a team that did win 44 years ago isn't helpful either. Nor is the constant swing of x, y & z being portrayed as demi-gods one week and donkeys the next something they can be proud of.
A lot needs to change if England ever want to be considered potential winners outside of the pages of The Sun, Mirror etc. The change must be radical, it must be brutal, and it must be done swiftly. However, given that this is football, I can see nothing much changing for the next 20 years at least!
No competitive games for players under 14 years of age. Youngsters should be taught skills... if they're good enough they'll progress and "win" at higher levels, but the "win at all costs" mentality we currently have with players of 8 or 9 years of age is stifling any talent there may be.
England managers to get a maximum of a two year contract starting from the beginning of one competitive cycle (be it World Cup or European Championships) and ending after England's final game in that cycle. If the team do well (ie even if they don't win, they come home with pride having played well, etc) the manager may be offered another two years.
There also needs to be a major overhaul of the Premiership, the so called and self styled "best league in the world". Salary caps should be introduced so that clubs may not pay out more than, say, 50% of their revenue in salaries. Furthermore a "First Team Squad" of 25 players should be announced at the start of each season comprising no more than 8 non-English players, of whom a maximum of 4 may play in a game. Players from the reserve and youth squads under the age of 19 but not in the original "First Team Squad" may also be included in match day squads.
The number of games played must also be reduced. A good run in the FA Cup, League Cup and Champions League, plus international matches will see top players playing 60 or so games a season. It may devalue the competition (isn't it already to a certain degree anyway) but Premiership clubs should only be allowed to field a maximum of 4 players from their "First Team Squad" in the League Cup. The Premiership itself should be reduced to 16 clubs, leaving 30 fixtures, all to be played at 3.00pm on a Saturday (fuck what Sky want, what is best for the game must come first above any commercial interests)
With regard to the immediate aftermath of the current World Cup campaign. Fabio Capello should be sacked without compensation. I'm sure his contract stipulates certain duties and expectations, and I wouldn't mind betting he failed more than one of these, in which case he is in breach of contract and therefore undeserving of compensation for early termination. While not all the blame should be heaped on him, you have to seriously question the tactical thinking behind replacing Defoe with Heskey when going 3-1 down! The fact that he rigidly stuck to 4-4-2 in all the games shows he is tactically inept and unsuited for international management at the highest levels. Turning the England training camp into a virtual prison didn't help either!
Most of the players should take a long hard look at themselves too and do the honourable thing and retire from international football so as to allow a new generation of players to come through. Yesterday they played like headless chickens. What the fuck was Terry doing so far up the pitch with 30 minutes to go, leaving us open to the two counter-attacks that led to the third and fourth German goals? What the fuck did Gerrard think he was doing, going for glory and shooting from all angles and ranges every time he got the ball? I would ask what the fuck Rooney thought he was doing, but I can't as he wasn't actually doing anything... for the fourth game in a row!!!! Glen Johnson proved in this tournament that we have a major problem at right back if he's the best we've got, and the majority of the team were shown up for their lack of pace, lack of ingenuity, lack of TEAMWORK, lack of skill and lack of HEART!!!
Finally, the media... a harder one to do anything about, but banging on about the war 65 years after it finished is of no help whatsoever. Invoking the images of a team that did win 44 years ago isn't helpful either. Nor is the constant swing of x, y & z being portrayed as demi-gods one week and donkeys the next something they can be proud of.
A lot needs to change if England ever want to be considered potential winners outside of the pages of The Sun, Mirror etc. The change must be radical, it must be brutal, and it must be done swiftly. However, given that this is football, I can see nothing much changing for the next 20 years at least!
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David Johnson
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"However, given that this is football, I can see nothing much changing for the next 20 years at least!"
I agree with the vast majority of what you say. I would edit the above sentence with "given that this is English football" English football and how it is run, is very different from say football in Spain and Germany.
I dont think your statement that the FA runs the richest sport in the country is correct. It seems to me that all the real power is with the Football League. And I can see the owners of many of the top teams in the Premier League who are only in it for the profit would bring legal cases (restraint on trade, in particular) in the event of any efforts to limit the number of foreign players. They would cite Article 39 of the EU treaty which covers free movement of workers.
Cheers
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I agree with the vast majority of what you say. I would edit the above sentence with "given that this is English football" English football and how it is run, is very different from say football in Spain and Germany.
I dont think your statement that the FA runs the richest sport in the country is correct. It seems to me that all the real power is with the Football League. And I can see the owners of many of the top teams in the Premier League who are only in it for the profit would bring legal cases (restraint on trade, in particular) in the event of any efforts to limit the number of foreign players. They would cite Article 39 of the EU treaty which covers free movement of workers.
Cheers
D
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David Johnson wrote:
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In which case maybe take a different approach, something along the lines of nothing to stop the clubs *signing* foreign players (and thus comply with the EU treaty).
But if the FA introduced its *own* rule that no more than a certain number of foreign players (say the 4 that Bob suggested) could be *in any given match squad*, that could be a way round that one.
Just a thought.
- Eric
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In which case maybe take a different approach, something along the lines of nothing to stop the clubs *signing* foreign players (and thus comply with the EU treaty).
But if the FA introduced its *own* rule that no more than a certain number of foreign players (say the 4 that Bob suggested) could be *in any given match squad*, that could be a way round that one.
Just a thought.
- Eric
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Bob Singleton wrote:
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Indeed, Bob. You also have to question some of his squad selection. Barry was clearly unfit, and King (a player who's so fragile that he can't even train with the rest of the squad) in particular was a complete waste of a squad place.
As for Rooney, given his club form I suppose he had to pick him for the squad, but his recent international form has been very poor, and the decision to stick with him throughout **in the hope** that there'd be some miraculous overnight transformation was a bad call.
Rooney has got fat and lazy, and thinks he's entitled to a place in the team by right, and Capello was obviously too scared to gamble on a change. He should have been dropped after the first game against the USA - the lad needs a reality check.
- Eric
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Indeed, Bob. You also have to question some of his squad selection. Barry was clearly unfit, and King (a player who's so fragile that he can't even train with the rest of the squad) in particular was a complete waste of a squad place.
As for Rooney, given his club form I suppose he had to pick him for the squad, but his recent international form has been very poor, and the decision to stick with him throughout **in the hope** that there'd be some miraculous overnight transformation was a bad call.
Rooney has got fat and lazy, and thinks he's entitled to a place in the team by right, and Capello was obviously too scared to gamble on a change. He should have been dropped after the first game against the USA - the lad needs a reality check.
- Eric
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"But if the FA introduced its *own* rule that no more than a certain number of foreign players (say the 4 that Bob suggested) could be *in any given match squad*, that could be a way round that one."
This would still be restraint of trade under Article 39 of the EU Treaty. Its a bit like allowing Tesco to employ a Polish person and then saying that they can't work on a Saturday or Sunday. Employment law does not work like that.
The only way around this would be a voluntary agreement between the FA and the Football League. Given I suspect that the vast majority of Premier League owners couldn't give a toss about the England team, I think such a voluntary agreement would be highly unlikely.
Cheers
D
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This would still be restraint of trade under Article 39 of the EU Treaty. Its a bit like allowing Tesco to employ a Polish person and then saying that they can't work on a Saturday or Sunday. Employment law does not work like that.
The only way around this would be a voluntary agreement between the FA and the Football League. Given I suspect that the vast majority of Premier League owners couldn't give a toss about the England team, I think such a voluntary agreement would be highly unlikely.
Cheers
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