The Treasury is hoping that the private sector will create 2.5 million jobs in the next five years to take up all the slack. It doesnt outline what the bloody hell these new jobs will actually be for.
Err, I can't see it myself. This questions what all these unemployed people such as single mothers, the disabled, long term unemployed, having been forced back to work by IDS and his welfare state changes, are actually going to be doing!
Sadly I agree.
Real new jobs that actually produce a product to sell are desperately needed both to dramatically reduce the burden of the unemployed and our reliance on imports.
I have posted before the reported example of JCB. 30 years ago 90% of components UK sourced, now 36%. Only by reversing trends like this can real jobs be created.
Just yesterday the MOD placed a new contract for socks which will be imported from China rather than made in the UK
What an example to set !!!
Lib Dem Cons to destroy economy?
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Sparky/Number 6
I agree entirely.
I dont have a clue where all these millions of new jobs are going to come from and I suspect neither do the Lib Dem Cons.
I do know that there was once millions of unionised, skilled, well paid jobs in the sixties and seventies in shipbuilding, car manufacturing, coal mining, steel making etc and these jobs were largely in the North and have mainly been replaced with either nothing, public sector jobs which are now going to be savaged or low paid, un-unionised call centre/shop jobs.
I realise that this decline started before Thatcher got in, but she certainly did her bit to accelerate the decline, particularly in coal mining.
The Eighties was the time of Boys from the Blackstuff and huge dole queues. But even in the Eighties, at least there was the prospect of labouring, building jobs etc in Germany (Auf Wiedersen, Pet). And in addition the early eighties was the start of the biggest revolution since the Industrial Revolution - the IT revolution with hundreds of thousands of new jobs working on projects, support, software devt., training, web development etc etc which has completely transformed society.
But the IT revolution is pretty much over now, with work increasingly either been offshored to Asia e.g. support or alternatively, multinationals bring in people from Asia at cheap rates as part of a staff switch.
So with no big upsurge in line with a work revolution like IT, Asian costs preventing us competing on so many items, and the globalisation of staffing, I just cannot see where these jobs are going to come from. All I can see is benefits being cut to the bone to force people into jobs barely above the minimum wage.
I know this sounds pessimistic but I can't see any alternative particularly in an environment when Euroland appears on the edge of a big slump and they are our biggest export market and the Lib Dem Cons have policies which seem to almost guarantee a prolonged recession.
Cheers
D
I dont have a clue where all these millions of new jobs are going to come from and I suspect neither do the Lib Dem Cons.
I do know that there was once millions of unionised, skilled, well paid jobs in the sixties and seventies in shipbuilding, car manufacturing, coal mining, steel making etc and these jobs were largely in the North and have mainly been replaced with either nothing, public sector jobs which are now going to be savaged or low paid, un-unionised call centre/shop jobs.
I realise that this decline started before Thatcher got in, but she certainly did her bit to accelerate the decline, particularly in coal mining.
The Eighties was the time of Boys from the Blackstuff and huge dole queues. But even in the Eighties, at least there was the prospect of labouring, building jobs etc in Germany (Auf Wiedersen, Pet). And in addition the early eighties was the start of the biggest revolution since the Industrial Revolution - the IT revolution with hundreds of thousands of new jobs working on projects, support, software devt., training, web development etc etc which has completely transformed society.
But the IT revolution is pretty much over now, with work increasingly either been offshored to Asia e.g. support or alternatively, multinationals bring in people from Asia at cheap rates as part of a staff switch.
So with no big upsurge in line with a work revolution like IT, Asian costs preventing us competing on so many items, and the globalisation of staffing, I just cannot see where these jobs are going to come from. All I can see is benefits being cut to the bone to force people into jobs barely above the minimum wage.
I know this sounds pessimistic but I can't see any alternative particularly in an environment when Euroland appears on the edge of a big slump and they are our biggest export market and the Lib Dem Cons have policies which seem to almost guarantee a prolonged recession.
Cheers
D
Re: Sparky/Number 6
The sad thing is we have a press and written media which is totally behind this coalition,the poor will struggle to be heard,they certainly arent being heard at the moment.
Re: David J...back of the net !
For all our "forum tennis" comments I loved the CHeers!!
I will be using that one...
Flying into Gatwick in the morning... only there for 1 hour.... thats long enough.
I will be using that one...
Flying into Gatwick in the morning... only there for 1 hour.... thats long enough.
Proud to be Von Boy
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Re: David J...back of the net !
"For all our "forum tennis" comments I loved the CHeers!!"
You are, of course, very welcome.
"Flying into Gatwick in the morning... only there for 1 hour.... thats long enough."
Well if it gets you out of Switzerland, possibly the most boring society in the world, the trip can only be regarded as beneficial.
Cheers!!!
Enjoy your journey.
D
PS Switzerland is very beautiful and the transport system is fantastic, but as for the society.......dear, oh, dear!
You are, of course, very welcome.
"Flying into Gatwick in the morning... only there for 1 hour.... thats long enough."
Well if it gets you out of Switzerland, possibly the most boring society in the world, the trip can only be regarded as beneficial.
Cheers!!!
Enjoy your journey.
D
PS Switzerland is very beautiful and the transport system is fantastic, but as for the society.......dear, oh, dear!
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Correction
"Well if it gets you out of Switzerland, possibly the most boring society in the world, the trip can only be regarded as beneficial."
I forgot about North Korea.
Possibly the second most boring society in the world.
Cheers
D
I forgot about North Korea.
Possibly the second most boring society in the world.
Cheers
D
Re: Sparky/Number 6
number 6 wrote:
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Whereas NuLabour were all ears ............... !laugh! !laugh! !laugh!
- Eric
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Whereas NuLabour were all ears ............... !laugh! !laugh! !laugh!
- Eric
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Eric
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Whereas NuLabour were all ears ............... "
They certainly did a hell of a lot more for the less well off than a Tory government has ever done!
Cheers
D
Whereas NuLabour were all ears ............... "
They certainly did a hell of a lot more for the less well off than a Tory government has ever done!
Cheers
D
Re: Von Boy Von Boy Von Boy
These figures mean nothing.
1.3 million people thrown out of work means nothing, you need to factor in how many will get jobs again immediately, I imagine probably quite a large number, and how many will retire a couple of years early.
These cuts are very different to those that hit the miners, a miner is a miner and knows little else other than mining. A public sector worker is more skilled and should be able to find other employment.
The question should be out of the 1.3 million that will be made unemployed, how many of those wont find other jobs, and wont retire early, and actually end up in the dole line?
I am guessing a fraction of the scare mongering political point scoring 1.3 figure being bounded around.
1.3 million people thrown out of work means nothing, you need to factor in how many will get jobs again immediately, I imagine probably quite a large number, and how many will retire a couple of years early.
These cuts are very different to those that hit the miners, a miner is a miner and knows little else other than mining. A public sector worker is more skilled and should be able to find other employment.
The question should be out of the 1.3 million that will be made unemployed, how many of those wont find other jobs, and wont retire early, and actually end up in the dole line?
I am guessing a fraction of the scare mongering political point scoring 1.3 figure being bounded around.
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Zorro
"1.3 million people thrown out of work means nothing, you need to factor in how many will get jobs again immediately"
I will pass on your kind comments to those who end up being made unemployed or worried about being made unemployed with all the associated worries about losing the roof over their heads etc. "Hey this means nothing". Thanks Zorro!
" I imagine probably quite a large number, and how many will retire a couple of years early."
Ah, your imagination! On what do you base the view that probably quite a large number will get work?
"A public sector worker is more skilled and should be able to find other employment."
Do you think there will be a big demand for people who study urban traffic flows, work in dole offices, equality advisors etc etc in the private sector?
Let's set aside your imagination for a moment and consider some facts.
1. The government expect over 2 million jobs to be created over the next five years to take up the slack created by the loss of 1.3 million jobs in the public sector and the related private sector e.g. construction, IT etc.
2. This forecast is based on a number of assumptions: large increases in consumer confidence (this has slumped as a result of the government trying to terrorise the population into believing the nonsense that the UK is the next Greece); increases in investment (given companies are really struggling to get finance and banks trying to increase their capital base, this is extremely unlikely. Who will these companies sell too anyway even if they invest to expand their capability?) and increase in exports (given the eurozone is really struggling and introducing huge cuts themselves it would appear unlikely there is going to be a boom in UK exports to the eurozone, our biggest customers).
3. Even in the boom years of 1997 to 2007, when we had the Y2K boom, the consumer boom with very easy credit, mortgages, a huge increase in retail expenditure etc etc, the private sector managed to create approx. 1 million jobs in 10 years. The Lib Dem Cons expect the private sector to create over 2 million jobs in 5 years at a time when getting financing is very difficult, consumer confidence is very low and the eurozone is in the doldrums.
The Lib Dem Cons are living in complete cloud cuckoo land and so are you!
Cheers
D
I will pass on your kind comments to those who end up being made unemployed or worried about being made unemployed with all the associated worries about losing the roof over their heads etc. "Hey this means nothing". Thanks Zorro!
" I imagine probably quite a large number, and how many will retire a couple of years early."
Ah, your imagination! On what do you base the view that probably quite a large number will get work?
"A public sector worker is more skilled and should be able to find other employment."
Do you think there will be a big demand for people who study urban traffic flows, work in dole offices, equality advisors etc etc in the private sector?
Let's set aside your imagination for a moment and consider some facts.
1. The government expect over 2 million jobs to be created over the next five years to take up the slack created by the loss of 1.3 million jobs in the public sector and the related private sector e.g. construction, IT etc.
2. This forecast is based on a number of assumptions: large increases in consumer confidence (this has slumped as a result of the government trying to terrorise the population into believing the nonsense that the UK is the next Greece); increases in investment (given companies are really struggling to get finance and banks trying to increase their capital base, this is extremely unlikely. Who will these companies sell too anyway even if they invest to expand their capability?) and increase in exports (given the eurozone is really struggling and introducing huge cuts themselves it would appear unlikely there is going to be a boom in UK exports to the eurozone, our biggest customers).
3. Even in the boom years of 1997 to 2007, when we had the Y2K boom, the consumer boom with very easy credit, mortgages, a huge increase in retail expenditure etc etc, the private sector managed to create approx. 1 million jobs in 10 years. The Lib Dem Cons expect the private sector to create over 2 million jobs in 5 years at a time when getting financing is very difficult, consumer confidence is very low and the eurozone is in the doldrums.
The Lib Dem Cons are living in complete cloud cuckoo land and so are you!
Cheers
D