Islam and beer drinking...

[David Johnson]

Hi Dick
On a more serious note from me.

"I know he lost his case, I just wondered why he brought it up in the first place. Maybe he thought because he was a Muslim he had a right."

The answer is in his defence. He thought that being a Muslim allowed him not to move alcohol around. But as Tesco argued, when you work there you know what they sell etc etc. It's just another example of how some people have rather extreme interpretations of their religious beliefs.

Of course, Islam is not alone in having extreme individuals.

Read this quote

"They think society should be built on their beliefs. They claim non-believers are damned. But these radicals are here in Britain and are aiming to change the laws of our land"

Sound familiar? Its about Christian fundamentalists in Britain

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ament.html

Cheers
D

[Dick Moby]

I see what you're saying but my point concerns the case of the forklift driver.
Why did the case even get to court ?
You apply for a job, you get the job, you do the job.
If you're scared of heights you don't apply for jobs as a steeplejack He was employed to move stock around ---- not employed to move only the stock he wanted to move, around.
To me it smacks of a "chancer" hoping to make a few quid.

[Alex L]

An interesting link, but surely the most important point is that the group mentioned in the link stands an almost zero chance of ever becoming a majority in the UK.

Whereas, although it may take some time, there is a very realistic chance that those holding Islamic beliefs will become the majority in the UK and on that journey you will see a lot more of this type of thing:



I believe and yes I have asked some Muslim friends, that the only difference between a Muslim and an Muslim extremist is how their goal of Islamic rule for the UK is achieved.

[thealtruist]

Bob

You can attack me as much as you want. You can call me names. But these are my thoughts, beliefs and opinions. Same as you have yours. Having an opinion that is different to yours does not make me it wrong. Why don't I call you a do gooding PC nutter? Because it would be unfair to do that. It is your opinion and I respect that. I haven't advocated violence or hatred towards Muslims or anybody else. It's purely my experiences that have helped me to form these opinions the same as your experiences have helped you to form yours. Criticising another country or religion or whatever does not mean you're a racist bigot. It's just an aspect of that religion or whatever that you may not agree with.

[David Johnson]

I suspect that there is an element of truth in this i.e. he was out to try and make a few quid if possible.

[David Johnson]

"An interesting link, but surely the most important point is that the group mentioned in the link stands an almost zero chance of ever becoming a majority in the UK."

Hang on. They are Christians. According to the Office of National Statistics there are 42.6 million in the UK. Do people who bang on endlessly about the threat from Islam, differentiate between Muslim extremists and those who just want to live in peace? No they don't. That's the point. They spend the time making absurd generalisations from the latest scare story they read in the Dail Mail.

"Whereas, although it may take some time, there is a very realistic chance that those holding Islamic beliefs will become the majority in the UK"

The Muslim population is about 3% of the UK population and that is including the huge increases in immigration that we have seen in recent years.

And as for complaints about half naked women in bill posters, have you never heard of the feminist movement? Recall by any chance, Clare Short's campaign against Page 3 in the Sun?

Cheers
D

[max_tranmere]

Lots of interesting comments there. By the way does anyone know what happened with the plan to build Europe's biggest mosque in east London? I remember Ken Livingstone, the former London Mayor, was very keen for it to happen.

East London is an ever changing place, there was going to be that huge mosque, an MP was elected just because the majority in the constituency he was standing in were muslims and against the Iraq war (George Galloway in Bethnal Green & Bow) and then there was that recent incident of the MP Steven Timms being stabbed by an extremist at his constituency surgery.

The days of knees-ups and jelied eels are certainly a thing of the past in east London.

[David Johnson]

Max
Any chance you are going to respond to my comments in the message below with some evidence?

http://bgafd.co.uk/forum/read.php?f=3&i=234657&t=234648


"an MP was elected just because the majority in the constituency he was standing in were muslims and against the Iraq war (George Galloway in Bethnal Green & Bow)"

Any evidence for the above? Or is this another example of a Maxfact?

I could just as easily argue that given Bethnal Green and Bow is one of the poorest parts of London with a radical and Communist history, the Respect party with its left wing socialist agenda was attractive. Secondly how do you explain the fact that Bethnal Green and Bow was one of only three seats that the Labour party won in the 2010 elections, Max, getting 43% of the vote compared to 16% to Respect?. Did the Muslim electorate decide they were fine with the Iraq war and the terrorist legislation after all?

You appear very good at coming out with totally unsubstantiated comments as if they are facts, but totally useless at providing some evidence to back them up. Something which only a quick perusal of this thread would illustrate. So instead of all this "Lots of interesting comments" stuff, why dont you try to answer people's comments? Or is it because you have nothing with which to back up your views?

Cheers
D

[Alex L]

" They spend the time making absurd generalisations from the latest scare story they read in the Daily Mail."


David

For every person who believes the latest "scare story" from the Daily Mail there is someone willing to swallow the latest spin from Nu Liebour.

I prefer the Times or direct reference to the ONS:

[David Johnson]

"For every person who believes the latest "scare story" from the Daily Mail there is someone willing to swallow the latest spin from Nu Liebour."

That does not mean that either are correct.

"I prefer the Times or direct reference to the ONS:"

Ah yes, Murdoch's Times. You obviously think that you are more intelligent than a Daily Mail or Sun reader. But hey what is the Times other than Murdoch's Sun with longer words!

Thank you for providing another link that supports my view. The population of the Uk is about 63 million. The Muslim population in your link is 2.4 million. This represents 3% approximately of the overall population.

And your point is? Ah yes, we are going to be overrun by fuzzy wuzzies who are not like us. Whatever "us" actually means.

Oh, by the way, have you actually heard of feminism? Or do you think that the only people that are against bill posters of women in their underwear are Muslims, those people who are not like us.

CHeers
D