What if New Labour had won the last&next election?

[jimslip]

Having just visited the "House of terror" in Budapest prompted me into pondering what the UK would be like if New Labour had won the last and the next elections.

They had already been introducing all sorts of new legislation, "For our own good", from even more CCTV to anti smoking to ID cards, no doubt they would have continued legislating on everything, from what you watched, even, to what you ate; who and what was "Politically correct" and what wasn't and eventually who would have to be carted off for , "Re-education" for their own good.

When you wander around the House of Terror you become aware of the Communist, "Nanny State" philosophy, of "We know what's good for you!", wasn't New Labour already treading onto that well worn path?

I think that they would have fiecely defended the rights of the very rich to pick clean every penny they made and stash it in foreign bank accounts. I also think they would have defended the rights of millions of layabouts and scroungers to collect every benefit under the sun. They would have also protected the rights of public service workers, because this is where their votes come from.

But for the poor bastard in the middle, I mean ANYONE who actually works for a living in the private sector, whether it be a shop worker, lorry driver, executive or whatever, who is in the system and pays tax and NI, he/she would have been fucked over till they winced and been watched and permanently checked that they were behaving correctly and paying their dues!

Finally, I wonder how long it would have been before the "New Labour PC Stasi" stumbled on the makers of hetero porn (us) and attempted to ban it outright for being,"Degrading to womenkind".

Personally, I think we've had a very close escape from a dictatorship and this is from an ex supporter by the way.

I await the !shitstorm! !shitstorm! !shitstorm!

[max_tranmere]

Would't be a lot of differnce. All the cuts being made now would be being made by Labour just the same.

[David Johnson]

I trust you feel better after your largely ill-informed, mainly factually incorrect, predominantly unsubstantiated, seemingly Daily Mail-inspired rant? !swear! !swear! !swear!

If not, have you ever thought of trying tablets?

Cheers
D

[Sam Slater]

I agree, Johnson. Daily Mail tripe.


Having said that, having to endure your posts this past 6 months Jim's rant was rather refreshing. Any good points you are likely to make in the future, I fear, may be lost due to us all just becoming immune to the reoccurring nature of your rants.

Ariston......and on......and on......and on......Ariston......and on.....and on......

[David Johnson]

Thank you for taking the time to make a post.

So verbose and detailed in your posts, prior to the election and the coalition agreement with regard to the benefits of Cleggism: so unbelievably shtum post-emergency budget when the shit started hitting the fan for Cleggie.

Forumites will note that the total absence of any attempt to defend Cleggie in months has seemingly emasculated you to the point of leaving you with nothing to post on this forum, other than stuff like suggesting that I was apparently trying to get PH banned - a view which both PH and myself found totally perplexing. You gave up long ago Sam, defending Cleggie so all you seem to have left to do is run around nipping at my ankles.

But I appreciate you taking time out on behalf of "us all" to provide me with guidance as to the nature of my posts.

Cheers
D

[spider]

Jim said.

Finally, I wonder how long it would have been before the "New Labour PC Stasi" stumbled on the makers of hetero porn (us) and attempted to ban it outright for being,"Degrading to womenkind".

Mostly I agree Daily Mail Tripe.

But I read this bit and two words came to my mind and I winced.

Those two words were "Harriet Harman".

[David Johnson]

Is it my imagination or was the sale or distribution of hardcore pornography through any channel prohibited until the rules were relaxed in 2002 by the Labour government?

I realise that laws were brought in in 2009 with regard to "extreme pornography".

Cheers
D

[David Johnson]

James,
Unlike your post, this contains a few facts. Don't be scared, they really won't hurt you, okay?

"They had already been introducing all sorts of new legislation, "For our own good", from even more CCTV to anti smoking to ID cards, no doubt they would have continued legislating on everything, from what you watched."

If you asked most people in areas of high crime what they thought about CCTV cameras, I would be amazed if you didnt get a vote in favour. A separate topic of course is the extent or otherwise of their effectiveness. How else can you explain the increase in families getting their own CCTV setups run from their houses?

Secondly, as a non-smoker, the smoking ban was a good move. I don't think the right of smokers to poison me and others like me is necessarily a huge freedom, worth defending. On ID cards I agree, possibly over the top.

"I think that they would have fiercely defended the rights of the very rich to pick clean every penny they made and stash it in foreign bank accounts.

This is obviously not true in the sense that the Labour government introduced a 50% tax rate vehemently opposed by the Tories, as I recall. Agreed that the Labour party could have done far far more to hit tax avoidance and tax evasion.


" I also think they would have defended the rights of millions of layabouts and scroungers to collect every benefit under the sun."

The coalition government's own estimate of the total value of benefit fraud is ?1.1 billion. The Citizen's Advice Bureau's (bunch of fucking lefties) view is that this figure is far, far outweighed by the unclaimed benefits for which both working and unemployed people are entitled. So contrary to your view of millions sucking the country dry, the reality is more of people who are missing out on entitlement more often than they are scrounging.

"They would have also protected the rights of public service workers, because this is where their votes come from."

Unlike yourself I dont see public service worker as equating to bastard. The vast majority of public service workers I have met strike me as being poorly paid. The public service is completely enmeshed with the private sector. Cutbacks in public expenditure hammer private companies. A case in point is the provider of social housing construction and maintenance, Connaught which laid off thousands of workers last week.


"But for the poor bastard in the middle, I mean ANYONE who actually works for a living in the private sector, whether it be a shop worker, lorry driver, executive or whatever, who is in the system and pays tax and NI, he/she would have been fucked over till they winced and been watched and permanently checked that they were behaving correctly and paying their dues!"

This is just juvenile nonsense. The Labour party introduced the minimum wage, hotly opposed by the Tories as I recall. They increased maternity leave, introduced paternity leave, according to the independent Kings Foundation made a big improvement in the NHS which was close to collapse in 97, brought in increases in child benefits etc etc. All of these measures affected workers.

"Finally, I wonder how long it would have been before the "New Labour PC Stasi" stumbled on the makers of hetero porn (us) and attempted to ban it outright for being,"Degrading to womenkind"."

Wasnt it the Labour government that legalised much of hardcore porn distribution in 2002?

Cheers
D

[RoddersUK]

Oh no they fucking wouldn't.
That would be tantamount to admitting that their prudent fucking idiotic Cyclops Chancellor had got it all wrong.
The bastards would just continue to spend what they didn't fucking have and the likes of you and me would pay for it through increased taxation.
That is Socialism as we know it today.

[RoddersUK]

The expression "Useless cunt" applies to that fucking thing!