Here we can randomly talk anything porn outside the ID-related topics.
Some people believe the sex scenes portrayed in porn films are unrealistic. Do you agree? Why? What are some of the myths in porn?
- The most obvious one should be how long the sex intercourse is; males don't cum until after 15, 20 03 30 minutes minimum. There's some editing there.
- Another thing I've always wondered is the hygienics issue. I assume the actors take a shower before the shooting and the practice of anal sex entails having gone through some anus washing or had an enema (and followed a diet). Yet, are there some fragances or "special" creams or whatever used for the genitals to stop them from stinking during the sex scenes? Or are the actors so caught up in the heat of the moment that a bad odour won't matter?
- The director and crew taking part in the shooting must have boners at all times. Do you know of anyone masturbating on the set?
The myths, questions, etc. thread about porn
Re: The myths, questions, etc. thread about porn
We are not so ID-centric as you may think.
JJ, I and others frequently go off topic in some threads (with the surprising tolerance of the EGAFD mods, who put up with our shenanigans).
Very little in porn resembles real life, not even in amatorial tapes/scenes. Is there really any point in discussing this any further? Even "celebrity sex tapes" are difficult to watch, and they are supposed to be real!?
You want to make some clinical comparisons? Film yourself having sex with your SO and then compare that with a porn sex scene and see the very stark difference. In porn, you look for something which is not found in real life: a ready, willing, randy and highly excitable female companion who who will do anything (even without asking) you want or desire. Not only that, she will be highly attractive, with legs from here to there with fantastic breasts, nice lingerie, will perform every sex act imaginable and at the end will even swallow your cum. Ah yes, but let us come to back to reality: your present female companion really does not look or perform like a porn star, and she will not want to fellate you, she has un unruly full bush, may not even smell that nice some of the time, no anal for her, and sex toys are out of the question not even 3-somes. You suggest some hanky panky and you'll get some indifferent reaction. You remove her clothes and what you see may not impress you very much. In the meantime you are thinking about the mortgage payment, the credit card that is maxed out, you just brought in your car for minor repairs and had to fork over $890, you had to shovel snow for 2 hours and do you really feel up to a great sex session?
You really don't want to be in a porn set, to see actors and actresses "prepare" themselves, and you don't want to be the person that has to clean up the mess at the end of the scene. It will neither smell nor look very good, and you must careful where you walking.
JJ, I and others frequently go off topic in some threads (with the surprising tolerance of the EGAFD mods, who put up with our shenanigans).
Very little in porn resembles real life, not even in amatorial tapes/scenes. Is there really any point in discussing this any further? Even "celebrity sex tapes" are difficult to watch, and they are supposed to be real!?
You want to make some clinical comparisons? Film yourself having sex with your SO and then compare that with a porn sex scene and see the very stark difference. In porn, you look for something which is not found in real life: a ready, willing, randy and highly excitable female companion who who will do anything (even without asking) you want or desire. Not only that, she will be highly attractive, with legs from here to there with fantastic breasts, nice lingerie, will perform every sex act imaginable and at the end will even swallow your cum. Ah yes, but let us come to back to reality: your present female companion really does not look or perform like a porn star, and she will not want to fellate you, she has un unruly full bush, may not even smell that nice some of the time, no anal for her, and sex toys are out of the question not even 3-somes. You suggest some hanky panky and you'll get some indifferent reaction. You remove her clothes and what you see may not impress you very much. In the meantime you are thinking about the mortgage payment, the credit card that is maxed out, you just brought in your car for minor repairs and had to fork over $890, you had to shovel snow for 2 hours and do you really feel up to a great sex session?
You really don't want to be in a porn set, to see actors and actresses "prepare" themselves, and you don't want to be the person that has to clean up the mess at the end of the scene. It will neither smell nor look very good, and you must careful where you walking.
Re: The myths, questions, etc. thread about porn
I knew that but I had a good laugh anyway.
My inquiry was more about the behind the scenes stuff.
My inquiry was more about the behind the scenes stuff.
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Porn performers, and porn directors/producers don't like to talk much about those things. Some things they like to keep for themselves, as there is no official trade handbook out there that tells performers what to do or what to expect on a porn set. And if they get too clinical about those things, it kills the sex fantasy the consumers has about a sex scene and how it is accomplished. Even in science-fiction/action movies not every secret is revealed as to how certain things were accomplished. To this day, we are still not quite sure how the Tarzan yell was accomplished. A lot of theories and stories have been circulating for years and years but the true story has never been told.
However if you have watched a certain number of BTS you get to see how some actresses prepare for certain "things". Cleaning out their ass with Fleet and douche, some say water jets inserted inside the anus, etc. eating nothing for 2-3 hours before a shoot, etc.
I would assume that the general crew member on a porn shoot is not a pimply 18 year old who has never seen a nude woman. In addition there is so much going on that it is difficult to be aroused for the whole duration of the shoot (breaks for make-up retouches, breaks to drink some water, breaks to do another set-up or change of positions, change of lighting, etc.). What you the consumer see is an edited version of what has been shot for a couple of hours.
The only people masturbating on the set are the male performers, while some brief break is going on. Fluffers are no longer being used and female performers are not too keen to lend a hand or mouth and are not being paid to keep the male erect. So the male performer has to manage that himself.
The smell of sweaty bodies and bodily fluids may not be very pleasant on a porn set, and thankfully we do not have an "odorama" card inserted with every DVD to sort of boost our watching experience.
However if you have watched a certain number of BTS you get to see how some actresses prepare for certain "things". Cleaning out their ass with Fleet and douche, some say water jets inserted inside the anus, etc. eating nothing for 2-3 hours before a shoot, etc.
I would assume that the general crew member on a porn shoot is not a pimply 18 year old who has never seen a nude woman. In addition there is so much going on that it is difficult to be aroused for the whole duration of the shoot (breaks for make-up retouches, breaks to drink some water, breaks to do another set-up or change of positions, change of lighting, etc.). What you the consumer see is an edited version of what has been shot for a couple of hours.
The only people masturbating on the set are the male performers, while some brief break is going on. Fluffers are no longer being used and female performers are not too keen to lend a hand or mouth and are not being paid to keep the male erect. So the male performer has to manage that himself.
The smell of sweaty bodies and bodily fluids may not be very pleasant on a porn set, and thankfully we do not have an "odorama" card inserted with every DVD to sort of boost our watching experience.
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Len801 wrote:
> and thankfully we do not have an
> "odorama" card inserted with every DVD to sort of boost our
> watching experience.
Scratch n' Sniff porn? Now there's a thought. Not a pleasant one, but it might
be the future....
Pink Eye, pussy-farts, prolapses, halitosis, mucus, girls who look like angels
but sound like pig-farmers.... no, I want to keep my illusions.
> and thankfully we do not have an
> "odorama" card inserted with every DVD to sort of boost our
> watching experience.
Scratch n' Sniff porn? Now there's a thought. Not a pleasant one, but it might
be the future....
Pink Eye, pussy-farts, prolapses, halitosis, mucus, girls who look like angels
but sound like pig-farmers.... no, I want to keep my illusions.
"a harmless drudge, that busies himself in tracing the original, and detailing the
signification...."
signification...."
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Interesting insight there.
If you guys were to pidgeonhole or label the porn industries from the different countries as to what stands out the most, for better or worse, generally speaking, what word(s) would you use?
What's the first thing that comes mind when you refer to:
Italian porn?
American porn?
German porn?
Etc?
Do you think there's a distintc factor in each of them that sets them apart from the rest? Or has the line been blurred since the advent of the internet and globalisation? What about before then?
If you guys were to pidgeonhole or label the porn industries from the different countries as to what stands out the most, for better or worse, generally speaking, what word(s) would you use?
What's the first thing that comes mind when you refer to:
Italian porn?
American porn?
German porn?
Etc?
Do you think there's a distintc factor in each of them that sets them apart from the rest? Or has the line been blurred since the advent of the internet and globalisation? What about before then?
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Italian porn probably was significant at the time of Cicciolina, Moana Pozzi and Rocco Siffredi: late 1980's-early 1990's. They even went to work in the USA and Rocco Siffredi made his mark there.
Since that time, things have slid, budgets shrunk, production radically slowed, production has technically fled to other countries (Hungary, Spain, etc), a lot of "italian" porn production features foreign performers (males and females). With such rock bottom budgets only "amatorial" movies seem to be circulating (with CentoXCento churning them out like bread loaves).
There is hardly any Italian female performer who for the past few years has made porn her primary career. One look at the their sparse filmography reflects the sad state of affair.
If one were to recall what was good about the Italian porn industry these 3 names (Siffredi, Pozzi, Cicciolina) really says it all. Now it is only a faint shadow of what it was. Italy has been beset by scary news and surprising scandals in the last few weeks: the apparent arrest of actor-director Andrea Nobili about stolen goods, actor Marco Nero who apparently fled to Brazil in mid-2012 to avoid arrest, the arrest of director Andy Casanova on the apparent charges of possession of kiddie porn. Mario Salieri has recently restarted shooting porn but has set up shop elsewhere.
American porn in the golden age was made by people with passion and skills. A handful of porn pioneers were willing to fight and even risk jail to make porn. The mid-1980's brought a radical change in the american porn production (the video revolution and the move to sunny California from the East Coast). The scandals (Traci Lords, Alexandria Quinn, John Holmes' legal problems and death, the AIDS problem that decimated the gay porn industry). Later came the obscenity cases against Max Hardcore, Rob Black, John Stagliano. What distinguishes the American porn industry from any other is the quantiy and quality which no other nation has been able to duplicate. When anyone tries to list 25-50 top porn movies or actresses of all time you will see the majority of them being american.
Germany. I'm not really qualified to comment on that, and I will leave that to others to put that in proprer perspective.
France had a golden age in the late 1970's and early 1980's. When the video revolution occured in the mid-1980's the only movies of superior quality were from VMD. However for last has dozen years or so, the French porn production is 100% condom and somewhat difficult to export to the same levels as pre-condom. Again like the Italian porn, you would have to go back in time to say some nice words about the French porn industry (Manuel Ferrara, Katsumi and a handful of others have fled to the USA to bolster their porn careers).
Since that time, things have slid, budgets shrunk, production radically slowed, production has technically fled to other countries (Hungary, Spain, etc), a lot of "italian" porn production features foreign performers (males and females). With such rock bottom budgets only "amatorial" movies seem to be circulating (with CentoXCento churning them out like bread loaves).
There is hardly any Italian female performer who for the past few years has made porn her primary career. One look at the their sparse filmography reflects the sad state of affair.
If one were to recall what was good about the Italian porn industry these 3 names (Siffredi, Pozzi, Cicciolina) really says it all. Now it is only a faint shadow of what it was. Italy has been beset by scary news and surprising scandals in the last few weeks: the apparent arrest of actor-director Andrea Nobili about stolen goods, actor Marco Nero who apparently fled to Brazil in mid-2012 to avoid arrest, the arrest of director Andy Casanova on the apparent charges of possession of kiddie porn. Mario Salieri has recently restarted shooting porn but has set up shop elsewhere.
American porn in the golden age was made by people with passion and skills. A handful of porn pioneers were willing to fight and even risk jail to make porn. The mid-1980's brought a radical change in the american porn production (the video revolution and the move to sunny California from the East Coast). The scandals (Traci Lords, Alexandria Quinn, John Holmes' legal problems and death, the AIDS problem that decimated the gay porn industry). Later came the obscenity cases against Max Hardcore, Rob Black, John Stagliano. What distinguishes the American porn industry from any other is the quantiy and quality which no other nation has been able to duplicate. When anyone tries to list 25-50 top porn movies or actresses of all time you will see the majority of them being american.
Germany. I'm not really qualified to comment on that, and I will leave that to others to put that in proprer perspective.
France had a golden age in the late 1970's and early 1980's. When the video revolution occured in the mid-1980's the only movies of superior quality were from VMD. However for last has dozen years or so, the French porn production is 100% condom and somewhat difficult to export to the same levels as pre-condom. Again like the Italian porn, you would have to go back in time to say some nice words about the French porn industry (Manuel Ferrara, Katsumi and a handful of others have fled to the USA to bolster their porn careers).
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I guess internet killed the porn star, so to speak. Or the porn movie as a whole piuece of "art", just like music where ti's more about making a single than an album. Now it's more about making online scenes or short situations. Even the standard woman's changed; it's more about Barby/top model/ skinny-like women, angel/baby faces. Even the fake big tittied girls don't look as hot or lutty as, say, Lisa Lipps, Summer Cummings, Pandora Peaks or Sally Mustang.
For some reason Italian porn seems to be more raunchy and more plot-oriented?
Would you guys say the Golden Age of porn in America was from mid-80s to mid to late 90s? Or were there other periods as well?
For some reason Italian porn seems to be more raunchy and more plot-oriented?
Would you guys say the Golden Age of porn in America was from mid-80s to mid to late 90s? Or were there other periods as well?
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People on the inside and outside of the porn industry have different views and outlooks. Porn producers and directors who never set foot inside a regular video club (and I don't mean the one in L.A. where they would bring a feature contract star to sign a few posters and chat to the converted for a few minutes) would want to tell you what works and what sells, all based on sales figures. If a title sells they believe it has to do with (a) the contract star (b) the director (c) the wonderful "script" {d) the sets, locations, the large budget (e) the box cover, or any combination of the above.
The problems started way before the world economic slump of about 5 years ago.
Something was in the air, but few really understood or perhaps had a blueprint on how to deal with it. Independent video clubs were closing at an alarming rate. The few left standing were not buying and putting up new porn titles on the shelves. Video clubs were slow in ridding their VHS titles and converting to DVD. Even magazines that specialized in porn movies were shutting down. Porn viewing until about 2005-2007 was still to a great extent through VHS/DVD. For the average porn consumer there was really little justification in shelling out $25-30 for a 90-minute/2 hour porn DVD. When the video stores closed there was little place to turn to. Then the world recession hit. By that time a certain number of independent porn performers and complete unknowns started to open up porn web sites where they would post specialized content and trying to compete with the big boys.
After the release of AMERICAN PIE, in the early 2000's the MILF genre started to take off on the internet with such sites as MILF HUNTER and several other copycats. The introduction of Viagra in the late 1990's also extended the lifespan and career of many males, and the MILF genre made older female performers employable. As the video clubs outlets started to vanish, porn distribution shifted to the internet. Many web sites now just offer scenes (of varying length of about 25-40 minutes max) of web download.
In the meantime several tube sites made inroads in offering up porn scenes (from trailers, previews, incomplete to complete scenes)to general undemanding porn watcher. The prices for porn product is still somewhat high no matter where it may be legitimately acquired (DVD, web subscription, cable/satellite), and tubes offer the cheapest and easy access to porn. People nowadays are more interested in tablets, Xbox, cellular phones and such electronic toys and have limited time or financial resources for porn.
A lot of the large porn studios have cut down if not downright eliminated the "contract girl" system, as they do not see that much beneficial benefit in that type of arrangement. The shutting down of AIM and the November 2012 introduction of Measure-B in Los Angeles have thrown a money wrench in the porn business. Where previously one would speak of "porn star" in the female sense, now the industry seems to point to male performers such as James Deen. Times have definitely changed. Porn careers for female performers are still for the most part very short, and pay scale is not the same as it was 5-10-15 years ago. More and more porn actresses are working in porn scenes for web sites Brazzers, Reality Kings, Naughty America, Culioneros, 21Sextury). So the internet is definitely the way porn is heading.
Italian and French porn is still generally plot driven although not necessarily that raunchy (you may see some fisting and g/s here and there, but not necessarily in big-budget releases from big studios). A lot of pro-am product is being produced in both countries due to budget constraints. US porn product (DVD or web) is for the most part "all sex" with very minimal plot outlines just to set up the sex.
The real "golden age" for American porn was from 1972 to about a decade later. From the early 1980-mid 1980's conversion to video and the move to L.A. there was a radical downturn in quality (the average budget of a shot-on-video porn movie was probably generally less than $20,000). There was a resurgence in the early 1990's in more quality product (from Sin City, Legend, Vivid, Caballero, Evil Angel, VCA, Coast to Coast, Anabolic, etc) but by the end of the 1990's there was another slump and a lot of the production companies either closed or sold their movie library. Probably the best period for American porn was late 1970's-early 1980's, and early-to mid-late 1990's.
The problems started way before the world economic slump of about 5 years ago.
Something was in the air, but few really understood or perhaps had a blueprint on how to deal with it. Independent video clubs were closing at an alarming rate. The few left standing were not buying and putting up new porn titles on the shelves. Video clubs were slow in ridding their VHS titles and converting to DVD. Even magazines that specialized in porn movies were shutting down. Porn viewing until about 2005-2007 was still to a great extent through VHS/DVD. For the average porn consumer there was really little justification in shelling out $25-30 for a 90-minute/2 hour porn DVD. When the video stores closed there was little place to turn to. Then the world recession hit. By that time a certain number of independent porn performers and complete unknowns started to open up porn web sites where they would post specialized content and trying to compete with the big boys.
After the release of AMERICAN PIE, in the early 2000's the MILF genre started to take off on the internet with such sites as MILF HUNTER and several other copycats. The introduction of Viagra in the late 1990's also extended the lifespan and career of many males, and the MILF genre made older female performers employable. As the video clubs outlets started to vanish, porn distribution shifted to the internet. Many web sites now just offer scenes (of varying length of about 25-40 minutes max) of web download.
In the meantime several tube sites made inroads in offering up porn scenes (from trailers, previews, incomplete to complete scenes)to general undemanding porn watcher. The prices for porn product is still somewhat high no matter where it may be legitimately acquired (DVD, web subscription, cable/satellite), and tubes offer the cheapest and easy access to porn. People nowadays are more interested in tablets, Xbox, cellular phones and such electronic toys and have limited time or financial resources for porn.
A lot of the large porn studios have cut down if not downright eliminated the "contract girl" system, as they do not see that much beneficial benefit in that type of arrangement. The shutting down of AIM and the November 2012 introduction of Measure-B in Los Angeles have thrown a money wrench in the porn business. Where previously one would speak of "porn star" in the female sense, now the industry seems to point to male performers such as James Deen. Times have definitely changed. Porn careers for female performers are still for the most part very short, and pay scale is not the same as it was 5-10-15 years ago. More and more porn actresses are working in porn scenes for web sites Brazzers, Reality Kings, Naughty America, Culioneros, 21Sextury). So the internet is definitely the way porn is heading.
Italian and French porn is still generally plot driven although not necessarily that raunchy (you may see some fisting and g/s here and there, but not necessarily in big-budget releases from big studios). A lot of pro-am product is being produced in both countries due to budget constraints. US porn product (DVD or web) is for the most part "all sex" with very minimal plot outlines just to set up the sex.
The real "golden age" for American porn was from 1972 to about a decade later. From the early 1980-mid 1980's conversion to video and the move to L.A. there was a radical downturn in quality (the average budget of a shot-on-video porn movie was probably generally less than $20,000). There was a resurgence in the early 1990's in more quality product (from Sin City, Legend, Vivid, Caballero, Evil Angel, VCA, Coast to Coast, Anabolic, etc) but by the end of the 1990's there was another slump and a lot of the production companies either closed or sold their movie library. Probably the best period for American porn was late 1970's-early 1980's, and early-to mid-late 1990's.
Re: The myths, questions, etc. thread about porn
Are you in the business or something? You seem to know quite a lot.
I've always wondered how the testing for sexual diseases works. Which option is closer to reality?
A) An actor gets tested, let's say, today and gets the results on the same day and is clean and shoots the same day.
B) An actor gets tested today and gets the results today and is clean but starts shooting tomorrow or later. The day or days before the shooting he had unprotected sex or did drugs sharing needles or underwent an operation or transfussion, etc. And he may or may not have been infected. What happens then?
Even if it were pption A, if he starts shotting the very same day he got the results, a porn proiduction is not likely to last only one day. And if it did, what if he "misbehaved" some time during the shooting and broke the rules? It's like they have people monitoring their ever move.
My point is that the testing is not as accurate as some may think.
Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.
I've always wondered how the testing for sexual diseases works. Which option is closer to reality?
A) An actor gets tested, let's say, today and gets the results on the same day and is clean and shoots the same day.
B) An actor gets tested today and gets the results today and is clean but starts shooting tomorrow or later. The day or days before the shooting he had unprotected sex or did drugs sharing needles or underwent an operation or transfussion, etc. And he may or may not have been infected. What happens then?
Even if it were pption A, if he starts shotting the very same day he got the results, a porn proiduction is not likely to last only one day. And if it did, what if he "misbehaved" some time during the shooting and broke the rules? It's like they have people monitoring their ever move.
My point is that the testing is not as accurate as some may think.
Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.