Hi,
I'm wanting to get into adult modelling.
I've approached Adult Pro Am (www.adultproam.com) who offer to make and run a site on a profit share basis. The sites they have look very good.
Anyone have any experience of this company ?
KayLee
Adult Pro Am ?
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Kaylee
Hi! I have no knowledge of this particular company, but in general, I would say to any model being offered such a profit share deal to be extremely cautious.
If the people offering these type of deals to models were actually as successful as they lead models to believe, or had confidence in being successful, then they would just pay the models for shoots and enjoy 100% profit rather than 50% profit, so the fact that they don't, would suggest you are highly unlikely to even earn from the venture what you could expect to earn for the hours spent modelling, let alone all the other time it would take up from you.
The vast majority of people offering models this type of arrangement, are just after a no risk, win/win opprotunity, at your expense.
Roy
Hi! I have no knowledge of this particular company, but in general, I would say to any model being offered such a profit share deal to be extremely cautious.
If the people offering these type of deals to models were actually as successful as they lead models to believe, or had confidence in being successful, then they would just pay the models for shoots and enjoy 100% profit rather than 50% profit, so the fact that they don't, would suggest you are highly unlikely to even earn from the venture what you could expect to earn for the hours spent modelling, let alone all the other time it would take up from you.
The vast majority of people offering models this type of arrangement, are just after a no risk, win/win opprotunity, at your expense.
Roy
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I agree. That sort of arrangement usually ends in disappointment.
What I've done a couple of times is run websites for models in return for an agreed amount of modelling each year for my other sites.
What I've done a couple of times is run websites for models in return for an agreed amount of modelling each year for my other sites.
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I have done that a few times...
It is said that both love and truth walk hand in hand. But if the need is great enough, can we learn to love a lie?
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What exactly are you wanting to get into ?
Are you talking modelling for you own members pay site ?
or
Do you mean you want to get paid to model ?
If its the latter, go add your self to
That should get you started.
On all the above sites, Post on their forums, letting people know what you want to do and dont do and look what other moneys other models are asking for with your experience and levels.
If its the former, I'd suggest contacting someone like myself or RGB or post on the forum for a webmaster to help, see about doing X many hours modelling work every X often, in return for building and hosting a modelling site (lots of people doing this).
Are you talking modelling for you own members pay site ?
or
Do you mean you want to get paid to model ?
If its the latter, go add your self to
That should get you started.
On all the above sites, Post on their forums, letting people know what you want to do and dont do and look what other moneys other models are asking for with your experience and levels.
If its the former, I'd suggest contacting someone like myself or RGB or post on the forum for a webmaster to help, see about doing X many hours modelling work every X often, in return for building and hosting a modelling site (lots of people doing this).
It is said that both love and truth walk hand in hand. But if the need is great enough, can we learn to love a lie?
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I always miss that extra S off there, so heres the links again (all working).
Remember to look at other models profiles to see what they include and for examples.
Remember to look at other models profiles to see what they include and for examples.
It is said that both love and truth walk hand in hand. But if the need is great enough, can we learn to love a lie?
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Roy,
How is a win/win situation at the models expense? How is a percentage deal no-risk? Both the model and the webmaster are taking a risk by the time they put in. The webmaster actually takes more of a risk because there are set-up costs included which the model usually doesn't have to cover - all she is risking is her time, time which is far exceeded by the webmaster (if he is doing the job properly).
A decent, serious adult webmaster is able to offer much greater exposure for a site via his affiliate program. I always cringe when models let some part-timer do a site for them, knowing that it will largely be a wasted opportunity for the model. Even if the model can do a deal where she is on a high percentage, it will more than likely be a high percentage of very little.
From a webmaster's point of view, if you are 100% certain that a site will be successful, it makes good business sense to offer the model a fixed rate. With even a moderately successful site, the webmaster would coin it in based on average modelling rates.
As far as I know, there are only a small handful of UK adult webmasters who have more than a basic understanding of the business, and as a model I would be extremely sceptical of any one-man-band operation who claims they can offer the best deal. Building a site is one thing, selling it is another.
Dave
How is a win/win situation at the models expense? How is a percentage deal no-risk? Both the model and the webmaster are taking a risk by the time they put in. The webmaster actually takes more of a risk because there are set-up costs included which the model usually doesn't have to cover - all she is risking is her time, time which is far exceeded by the webmaster (if he is doing the job properly).
A decent, serious adult webmaster is able to offer much greater exposure for a site via his affiliate program. I always cringe when models let some part-timer do a site for them, knowing that it will largely be a wasted opportunity for the model. Even if the model can do a deal where she is on a high percentage, it will more than likely be a high percentage of very little.
From a webmaster's point of view, if you are 100% certain that a site will be successful, it makes good business sense to offer the model a fixed rate. With even a moderately successful site, the webmaster would coin it in based on average modelling rates.
As far as I know, there are only a small handful of UK adult webmasters who have more than a basic understanding of the business, and as a model I would be extremely sceptical of any one-man-band operation who claims they can offer the best deal. Building a site is one thing, selling it is another.
Dave
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DaveyDude,
As for small companys of 1 or 2 people, remind me again about google ? Where did they start ?
Davey let me ask you this, Lets say I'm a model who is sure of myself and that people want to see gratuitous beaver shots of me.
Would i get a better deal from a 50/50 share or from paying a lump sum and I pocket it all ?
There is also the added bonus of if your webmaster is poo, move on, if the sales dont come in, move on
As for small companys of 1 or 2 people, remind me again about google ? Where did they start ?
Davey let me ask you this, Lets say I'm a model who is sure of myself and that people want to see gratuitous beaver shots of me.
Would i get a better deal from a 50/50 share or from paying a lump sum and I pocket it all ?
There is also the added bonus of if your webmaster is poo, move on, if the sales dont come in, move on
It is said that both love and truth walk hand in hand. But if the need is great enough, can we learn to love a lie?
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I don't usually disagree with you Cenobitez, but a model site definitely needs an ongoing involvement from a webmaster on some basis or another.
A site won't make any money if it is just built and left. On the other hand, a successful web company is not going to take on a model whose site in unlikely to convert, because their business is traffic and they are not going to throw it away at non-converting sites.
Models with whom I've dealt wanted sites that they saw as extensions of themselves and as platforms for their modelling activities - and if they also made some money as paysites, that was a a bonus.
A site won't make any money if it is just built and left. On the other hand, a successful web company is not going to take on a model whose site in unlikely to convert, because their business is traffic and they are not going to throw it away at non-converting sites.
Models with whom I've dealt wanted sites that they saw as extensions of themselves and as platforms for their modelling activities - and if they also made some money as paysites, that was a a bonus.
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In hindsight you'd have made a great choice backing the Google guys. However hindisght isn't a luxury afforded to wannabe internet sensations so I fail to see your point.
"Would i get a better deal from a 50/50 share or from paying a lump sum and I pocket it all?"
I don't know. It depends how much your 50% amounts to. What I'm saying is that there is no limit to how much 50% could be. A lump sum is a lump sum. If you're going with some chump webmaster then yes I would definately take the lump sum because the chances are he isn't going to make anything out of the site and it will be shut within 3 months because he can't afford to pay your fees. If you go with someone who knows what they're doing, 50% could be a shedload more than the lump sum ever was. If you are dead sure that your site is going to sell like hotcakes, go for the percentage every time.
Being able to move on if you think someone is poo has nothing to do with being on a percentage or a lump sum. Just get a termination clause written into your contract that allows you to leave if sales don't reach a certain level by a certain time.
"Would i get a better deal from a 50/50 share or from paying a lump sum and I pocket it all?"
I don't know. It depends how much your 50% amounts to. What I'm saying is that there is no limit to how much 50% could be. A lump sum is a lump sum. If you're going with some chump webmaster then yes I would definately take the lump sum because the chances are he isn't going to make anything out of the site and it will be shut within 3 months because he can't afford to pay your fees. If you go with someone who knows what they're doing, 50% could be a shedload more than the lump sum ever was. If you are dead sure that your site is going to sell like hotcakes, go for the percentage every time.
Being able to move on if you think someone is poo has nothing to do with being on a percentage or a lump sum. Just get a termination clause written into your contract that allows you to leave if sales don't reach a certain level by a certain time.