Bit Torrent - notes for producers

[Asylum]

We use pennywise which stops site rippers downloading your whole site in a few hours.

most people we have as members are happy enough with a daily limit and understand the need to protect content.

It also stops password sharing in its tracks something i am sure we have all suffered with at some stage.

[DanG]

Well, let me put it this way Earl....would YOU go to work if they stopped paying you?

This isn't an 'out of the goodness of their heart' sort of argument we're dealing with here...piracy is theft, plain and simple. Pirates aren't the internet equivalent of Robin Hood, so let's not try and make out that they are.

[earl_d]

"piracy is theft, plain and simple. Pirates aren't the internet equivalent of Robin Hood, so let's not try and make out that they are."

Have I disagreed with that point?


No, I disagreed with this point:

"Personally, I must admit to feeling a twinge of pity for the rippers/uploaders when I think about what motivates them to do it. There's no financial gain, instead just a chorus of 'You the man!' when they upload something. It's very sad to think that the only thing they have to offer that gets them noticed and makes them feel important or appreciated somehow is something that isn't theirs in the first place, but instead the work of others."

Would it be ok for them to do it for money?


Btw, ever used YouTube?

Are the people who upload the videos, that by far isn't owned by the uploaders, sad people who only can get appriciation by uploading something that isn't theirs?

[DanG]

No, doing it for money would be even worse, but the net effect on the producer's profit would remain the same.

You do make a good point about YouTube though, but the key difference is that media on YouTube is not downloadable (to my knowledge at least). Some record labels are happy to have their bands' videos (which are basically adverts anyway) on YouTube as it's like a whole new version of MTV for them, other producers, such as the people behind Saturday Night Live, want their content removed.

Still, surely it is better to upload your own homemade content rather than ripping someone elses? I mean, if that's all people do, we'd never get anything new on TV...would we know who Bam Margera was, for example, if all he ever did was rip and upload his favourite bits from other people?

More to the point, what noble and lofty purpose and/or motive would you prefer that I attribute to people who rip and upload copyrighted material and cost producers money? I'm interested in knowing exactly what legitimate cause or ends you think they serve by their actions?

[Asylum]

We had a few of our videos on youtube and got them removed.

These guys are well covered legally. We checked with our solictor. As they are not making cash from any video posted even if its a ripped from a site, under law these guys cannot be touched.

Only if you can prove that they have made cash from your content which is very difficult. They are not liable for what people post. If you complain as long as they remove it they havent broken the law..

We however did catch them with a screen grab as they had stuck there advertisement on our video clips which the make money from.


I know of one guy who successfully sued youtube for $150,000 per video.

[earl_d]

"...but the net effect on the producer's profit would remain the same"

Obviously if you believe that everyone that has illegally downloaded your material would have paid for it in the first place, then I guess you can see it as lost profit.


"...but the key difference is that media on YouTube is not downloadable (to my knowledge at least). "

You can download from YouTube rather easily, the format of the videos are FLV (Flash video) so you would also have to convert it.

Also most of the copyholders whos material is on YouTube hasn't been asked for permission. If that's justifiable then torrent sites would be ok if they will remove the content if they are asked to.

Obviously some believe that sharing it their content online would make them sell more, you obviously don't, as seen in the first quote.

Copyright laws and culture isn't a chicken and the hen problem. Culture has been produced way before there was copyright laws. So even if every copyright law was abolished today, there would still be movies, music, tv, and porn produced.

And I would be happy to live in a world where no one has ever heard about Bam Margera

Did I ever write that people who copy other peoples material are noble? I just didn't like your view that they are sad gits without lives... But truthfully, I don't know what their motives are and I guess neither do you, unless you're one of them...

[unprinted]

Hmmm, British courts have declined to enforce copyrights claimed on 'grossly immoral' works for 90 years - see Glyn v Weston Feature Film [1916] 1 Ch. 261.

Surely if a R18 film isn't 'grossly immoral', purchasers should be demanding their money back...

[Jacques]

DanG wrote:

> but the key
> difference is that media on YouTube is not downloadable


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[mrchapel]

Oh Ok, cool man cause I meant that the guys here who put a lot of effort into their sites and/or movies don`t deserve to be stolen from. But there`s one or two sites I`ve slapped my cash down for that have had a severe lack of content and its been just sloppy shit.