I just browsed previous topics...I was interested in the UK Studs topic started by Ben Dover, and all the various replies,
So what happened in the end Ben,,,Did Little Jack do the audition,
Did you speak to Lord John.
Did you find the next British Super Stud?
I thought a comment by Lord John..was interesting about how the American porno men..treat the girls.
I used to know a well known girl, who went out there. and had this treatment, also had it, over in Europe.
This screwed her up mentally. taking drugs etc. found it differcult to trust men.
It would be interesting to various peoples comments.
UKSTUDS/BEN DOVER
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Ace
Re: UKSTUDS/BEN DOVER
It is more than an occupational hazard that 'some' of our American counterparts are misogynists. I fully appreciate the lucrative side our British girls working across the pond, but this business is also brings the shittier element out, such as dodgy agents, producers and co-stars. America certainly do have them in abundance. We are still in the league where we fully respect and certainly appreciate our leading ladies, and I only hope your friend realises that she met guys in the minority league that treat their ladies with disdain and disrespect. I will say that IF I was in a position to work with a poncy US stud that treated a lady with ANTHING other than respect, I would give him a hiding he wouldnt forget!
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mike johnson
O/T Re: UKSTUDS/BEN DOVER
Well, Ace, speaking as a Yank, I find I must fully agree. I don't know why so many US porn-makers are so misogynist; I think it has to do w/ their being either ex-porn stars them selves, & having long ago stopped thinking about women as anything but pieces of meat, or scions of porn producers/directors who were raised in this ambiance, or if newcomers, they were the weasly, zit-faced nerds & geeks that none of the girls in school would even look at, let alone date.(Thomas Zupko has been fired at Extreme, at least.Unfortunately,to an extent, these people are catering to their audience ; in the under-30 crowd in America, there exists an anti-female strain among a significant part of the male population--I blame the lyrics in rap & heavy metal for this.( E.g.,apparently a lot of young guys won't eat pussy nowadays-not macho.)
This isn't just a philosphical issue either; as a porn consumer, I find I get literally turned off by a lot of current product.Instead of raising my peter, these vids raise my hackles.
BTW-he seems to be everyone else's hero, but personally, I can't stand Rocco for the way he treats women; I would like to knock that smarmy smile right off his face.
This isn't just a philosphical issue either; as a porn consumer, I find I get literally turned off by a lot of current product.Instead of raising my peter, these vids raise my hackles.
BTW-he seems to be everyone else's hero, but personally, I can't stand Rocco for the way he treats women; I would like to knock that smarmy smile right off his face.
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Ace
Re: O/T Re: UKSTUDS/BEN DOVER
Nice to have an honest opinion from an American. Well done Mike. If its any consolation, there are quite a few who would queue up behind you for a couple of rounds with Rocco. At least when Tommy and Joey visited a few years back, the feedback was they were respectful and appreciative........thats all you can ask for.
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lordjohn
Re: UKSTUDS/BEN DOVER
I have just returned from Russia after shooting 20 or so brand new girls.
None were coerced, drugged,forced,bribed or mistreated. Net result is we have some very real, sexy, and original material. No bleached blondes with rah-rah-skirts and no-one has been exploited in any shape or form.
It can be done. It is just that some people in production have been at it so long that their values diminish and the dark side comes in. The "give us a blow-job while you are waiting for the cab" syndrome.....
I am not totally knocking this, lets face it some girls enjoy being treated like rubbish.....it is why they are in the business. A substitute for the rigmoroles of trying to have a real relationship with someone maybe!
I have lost count of the girls in the eighties and nineties who would turn up for a shoot talk throughout about their special boyfriend and then get upset when you wouldn't poke their bum in the air and give them one. Models in relationships have always treated photographers as a way of having casual sex without problems. No photographer is going to start ringing them up the following day and make a nuisance of themselves.....with notable exceptions of course!!!
There is another syndrome of models who don't have sex at all outside filming. Ninety per cent of them are abuse victims who tend to use work as a substitute for a sex life! The current crop have pushed it a stage further and become lap dancers merely having to wind blokes up with no physical contact at all.
But seeing some of the teenaged just legal beauties being rammed up the rear by Rocco's fifteen inch pole and having their heads flushed down the lav and obviously in pain makes you wonder what comes next.
If not snuff then dismemberment maybe.....!!!!
Then there is Max Hardcore of course who is now peeing into flaccid bottoms while the girl drinks it through a tube.....(send that one to your mum Rocco).
None were coerced, drugged,forced,bribed or mistreated. Net result is we have some very real, sexy, and original material. No bleached blondes with rah-rah-skirts and no-one has been exploited in any shape or form.
It can be done. It is just that some people in production have been at it so long that their values diminish and the dark side comes in. The "give us a blow-job while you are waiting for the cab" syndrome.....
I am not totally knocking this, lets face it some girls enjoy being treated like rubbish.....it is why they are in the business. A substitute for the rigmoroles of trying to have a real relationship with someone maybe!
I have lost count of the girls in the eighties and nineties who would turn up for a shoot talk throughout about their special boyfriend and then get upset when you wouldn't poke their bum in the air and give them one. Models in relationships have always treated photographers as a way of having casual sex without problems. No photographer is going to start ringing them up the following day and make a nuisance of themselves.....with notable exceptions of course!!!
There is another syndrome of models who don't have sex at all outside filming. Ninety per cent of them are abuse victims who tend to use work as a substitute for a sex life! The current crop have pushed it a stage further and become lap dancers merely having to wind blokes up with no physical contact at all.
But seeing some of the teenaged just legal beauties being rammed up the rear by Rocco's fifteen inch pole and having their heads flushed down the lav and obviously in pain makes you wonder what comes next.
If not snuff then dismemberment maybe.....!!!!
Then there is Max Hardcore of course who is now peeing into flaccid bottoms while the girl drinks it through a tube.....(send that one to your mum Rocco).
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magoo
Re: UKSTUDS/BEN DOVER
Can I just ask you Lordjohn did you choose to go to Russia so that you could pay the girls next to nowt? I mean if you had used girls from the UK or other western european countries you might have had to pay them more than 50p for a scene.
And may I agree with Mike Johnsons post. Mike, Rocco has been criticised for his mysoginy on this forum many a time mainly by Matt and myself. I object to Rocco flushing girls heads down the shit-pan but find other parts of his work arousing. As for Max Hardcore I find his work disturbing but having spoke to the man I must say he is a polite and friendly guy. He told me the whole Max thing is an act to cater for a gap in the market.
And may I agree with Mike Johnsons post. Mike, Rocco has been criticised for his mysoginy on this forum many a time mainly by Matt and myself. I object to Rocco flushing girls heads down the shit-pan but find other parts of his work arousing. As for Max Hardcore I find his work disturbing but having spoke to the man I must say he is a polite and friendly guy. He told me the whole Max thing is an act to cater for a gap in the market.
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Dr No
Re: O/T Re: UKSTUDS/BEN DOVER
"As a porn consumer, I find I get literally turned off by a lot of current product. Instead of raising my peter, these vids raise my hackles."
You and me both Mike. Regarding the "misogynist" slant of your post, maybe this is an inevitable consequence of the lowering of porno standards in recent years? In the past a lot porno romps used to be set in the upper stratosphere of LA social circles - big houses, expensive cars, beautifully groomed gorgeous girls and 'Mr GQ' type dudes. Now most American erotica seems to be set in trailer parks and low rent neighbourhoods or, if not, one gets the feeling that the participants came from there that very same morning. As domestic and other types of violence are endemic in those kinds of neighbourhoods aren?t they all just playing to type? And why should we be surprised? I'm afraid it's a human trait that if people look like they have no type of standards, no self-respect and no obvious worth then it's easy for others to be nasty to them. In fact they positively attract the distain of others like a magnet - as maybe the case with the LA porn girls and studs/producers. On the other hand if you look beautiful and successfully, as though you are the product of a nice, ordered, healthy environment, then everybody wants to be your pal. It's difficult to look down your nose at a goddess.
Yes, I guess most "current product" is crap or worse. But till everyone who is not a misogynist - like your good self Mike - openly acknowledges that current product is shite 'they' will think you like it and continue on their current course to make more of the same. Just not buying it may not be enough to get through to them, as they will clutch at straws and ascribe this to difficult market conditions.
Dr No.
You and me both Mike. Regarding the "misogynist" slant of your post, maybe this is an inevitable consequence of the lowering of porno standards in recent years? In the past a lot porno romps used to be set in the upper stratosphere of LA social circles - big houses, expensive cars, beautifully groomed gorgeous girls and 'Mr GQ' type dudes. Now most American erotica seems to be set in trailer parks and low rent neighbourhoods or, if not, one gets the feeling that the participants came from there that very same morning. As domestic and other types of violence are endemic in those kinds of neighbourhoods aren?t they all just playing to type? And why should we be surprised? I'm afraid it's a human trait that if people look like they have no type of standards, no self-respect and no obvious worth then it's easy for others to be nasty to them. In fact they positively attract the distain of others like a magnet - as maybe the case with the LA porn girls and studs/producers. On the other hand if you look beautiful and successfully, as though you are the product of a nice, ordered, healthy environment, then everybody wants to be your pal. It's difficult to look down your nose at a goddess.
Yes, I guess most "current product" is crap or worse. But till everyone who is not a misogynist - like your good self Mike - openly acknowledges that current product is shite 'they' will think you like it and continue on their current course to make more of the same. Just not buying it may not be enough to get through to them, as they will clutch at straws and ascribe this to difficult market conditions.
Dr No.
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Dr No
Re: UKSTUDS/BEN DOVER
Me and my porno associates often muse about going to Russia or other eastern block countries to find new talent, not because the girls are cheap, but because they are beautiful. The problem now is that classy, beautiful, English girls will not do erotic video and as standards are lowered it begins to look less and less attractive to them. Also, Eastern block girls have not been immersed in western popular culture; hence they generally look more natural and attractive in a sexual way. So if you want girls of the calibre of Sylvia Saint, Lana Cox and that very sorty tall blonde who had the lead in Private's 'The Tower' that's the only place left to go.
Dr No.
Dr No.
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Ace
Re: UKSTUDS/BEN DOVER
And of course, it has NOTHING to do with you getting these beautiful women at a fraction of the cost?
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magoo
Re: UKSTUDS/BEN DOVER
Oh, silly me. I just thought you did it cos they are cheap. Mmmm.You may be a master criminal Dr No but you and your associates surely like to save a few hundred squids by using former Eastern Bloc girls. I bet none of you pay VAT either. Or Income tax. And yet you feel free to pronounce about whats wrong with this country using your other name of Officer Dibble. Dont get me wrong I like your posts but for Christs sake admit it you porn producers are a bunch of rich bastards who dont pay tax.