Minimum Industry Rates

[Matt P]

At the risk of sounding arogant I delibrately under-price myself as I want to work with the big producers as much as the smaller ones. I'm approaching 20 scenes/shoots combined(did my 1st in September) & I've provided the money shot every single time & have my certs doen every 2 weeks so for any one to suggest I can't do it goads me a little & maybe should ask the people I've worked with.
I'm learning everytime & I hope one day to be in the same class as some of the high end males working in the uk.

The best thing to happen to me yet in the industry was one someone on set said I could possibly be the next Pete North, I can't express how much that meant to me, just thought I'd slip that in & I really hope that some more of my stuff starts getting released as I want people to make up their own minds on that & then see if I get fucked around on pay.

[mybeautifultease]

I feel, from my own experiences, that the models I have worked with have rates that I deem reasonable and fall in line, give or take, with the rates I am willing to pay with which I actually have published on my site for prospective models.

I often go with the models rate as it is anyway, I feel way more comfortable getting the models standard rates and working to them. I don't ever want a model to resent working for me or her time spent on a shoot with me.

I think a minimum rate is a good idea in principal but I feel that it will back fire and hit the models the very idea is trying to help and lose them work or worse. Small producers would be heavily hit and I this kind of action would limit new work opportunities and productions getting off the ground.

Overall, on the surface it is a very reasonable and logical solution to certain issues but when unpicked it would do a lot more harm than any good that may come out of it.

[mp3]

that wasn't directed at you, I can't get the hang of getting posts to appear in the first position

[Matt P]

You have my sincerest & unresevered apologies mp3 sorry. I go on the defensive a bit too quick on BGAFD as I'm so used to people having a pop. That does not excuse me directing that at you, again iam sorry.

I really hope I haven't offended you with my unwarranted abrasive response.

I'm a really affable person when you meet me it's only on here that I get a bit shitty as it tends to attract people that give what I love a bad name.

[Arsewithclass]

With all due respect, any trade any one always shops for the best price with best performance. You dont go and hire an expensive cowboy plumber, you either hire a good reputationed plumber at a high cost or a cheap plumber hoping he is not a cowboy. most of the time, a low cost tiler can do a fantastic job as I have done while tiling in the past.
Do you go & purchase the same car at the most expensive price from the paper or pay for the cheapest????

Appologies, but the price doesnt always mean the best & it certainly can remain ok for producers to shop for the lowest cost in this day & age when our prices have had to convert into giving loads of sites for the one payment price.

However, from the model, I understand that you cannot expect that you are worth crap as you are a person & hopefully do a fantastic job.

[Matt P]

I totally agree with you Arsewithclass, that's why it pisses me off that a producer can on the one hand say they want guys that can perform but on the other hand want guys to do it for free Which is it? You do pay for what you get & I'm defaintely not putting myself in the class as the top names in the business but I'm definately above the guy in it for a fuck crowd.

Past 2 or3 weeks I'm absolutely shattered as I reckon I've travelled the length of England 3 & half times over, plus a job in Wales, just so I could establish that I am a man that can. I've been paid everytime, even by the people just taking pictures in the bedroom with a camera & not much else.

I best stop here as I'm dangerosuly close to naming some of the people that regularly try to take the piss even though my rates are low, like come on ?75 a cum shot! that's like 2 in hour as well I can manage.

I go off a bit on this but I've defended responsible porn long before I was ever given a chance at being in it & there are a small minority whose actions & behaviour lend credence to the stupid exploitative nonsense & that pisses me off.

If a model/performer says their rates & you can't afford them then fair enough but it's not right to make them feel bad about it.

[Arsewithclass]

Totally agree with you buddy.

If a rate is more than a person can afford then its not a problem but to start stating that its too much, this is wrong.
Recently, I have been placed in a similar position, I simply asked the rate at the beginning, the model, wanting the work, a simple girl boy scene has negotiated, but not of my say so.

We are happy to know that we do have lots of guys that enjoy working with our girls at very little cost, sometimes the other way around. In the meantime, I do not expect anything including the cumshot, we have just been very lucky & have usually filmed the cumshot.

I look at this business as any other, a rate is a rate & there is nothing wrong with asking if a price can be dropped, but at the same time, the way it is asked is very important.

[Matt P]

Anyways as always I seem to have had gone off on a tagent(sorry rates ares till a point of contention) with a post :s. People feel free to have a go at me & my over busy BGAFD fingers again.

Coming back to the point Satine was making, I don't think "Minimum rate" will work especially for guys as there is always those that do it for free or you'll get some advertising themself as working below minium wage, as per the point made further up this post. It'd create more problems than it would solve.

In terms of the girls I think a lot of people look for the lowest rate not necessarily the best performer & it's going to end up pushing a lot of you out to the US. I think you're a fantastic performer Satine & as such you should be paid more than someone just coming in, once that person has is capable of performing at the same level then so should she ask for more. It's logic if you want to make the best you can hire the best you can afford.

It basically comes down to what a producer wants to do; make porn or just film sex. There's a very big difference.

[satine spark]

Yea i suppose its too difficult to have set rates as depending on the company/producer, they can only pay so much and due to the scenes being longer/shorter they need to vary in price.

I guess your right in that it sounds like a good idea in principal but in reality it couldn't really work.

I suppose it can just be frustrating sometimes.

Thanks for the input people, it's nice to hear thing from varying perspectives

Satine xXx

[Masie]

I have read this with interest. I fully understand what has been said about budgets and falling prices and like Lara am happy to negotiate my prices for companies who are starting up but have work that sounds really fun to do.

what could be helpful though is a rough guide price page. Starting out I remember getting very confused and upset over what rates were standard and where I should draw my line (as if you do a b/g for something silly like ?150 for one tog no togs ever going to book you at 300 again.)

Personally id find a page (maybe on here) with a rough guide of rates very helpful - eg

Always take into consideration the position and budget of the producer. If he is just starting out he may not be able to afford full industry rates and it it is up to you whether you lower them in the hope he may re book you in the future as a reward for your kindness.

B/g usually ranges from ?250-?550 per scene. Factors you should take into consideration are levels (add more for cream pie and anal) and length of time you are needed on set. If you are doing multiple scenes it is usual to offer a day rate rather than full wake for each scene they need.

Id find that very reassuring to have.
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