Ok here goes,i have been a porn buyer for 3 years now,but i find myself bored and tired of watching the same old scenes being repeated and i decided to make a list of why i think the uk industry is failing me.I am writing this to see if anyone agrees with any of my points,and just to test the water really.I am not having a pop/go at anyone who makes porno so i wont use any names.
My first point is i am 22, the producers who make the porn in uk mostly are all twice my age,i feel what they find erotic and a turn on is not the same as me. I'll give you an example most gonzo shoots have the producer with camera walking around picking up 20-25 year old girls,bit of banter the back to a house/hotel room for the sex. its the same every time or the old "this lady has written to me and we are going to make a surprise vist".
The non gonzo story based porn is just so unbelievable its just cringeworthy.
Most shagging young people do begins in a nightclub/pub/holiday scenrio yet i have never seen this in a porn film.There is a massive market for porn in the uk,its more popular than ever do to young people who are more open to it but we are not being catered to.Loaded/maxim/fhm often have articles on porn, we under 25s use the internet the most,we have access to dvd /videos yet we are not being catered for.
onto the sex,if you ask men what their sexual fantasy is a threesome would be pretty high,if not top of the list,ffm.why are all british films 2/3/4 blokes and one girl its just not erotic and not a fantasy for most people.which brings me onto dp,can any man say that is his fantasy,not me.Yet every new film has more dp.
I feel the concept is an easy one, beautiful girls being fucked yet why do we have to complicate it? porn is becoming more extreme almost a fetish in itself. I want to see really gorgeus girls being picked up in a way that is something i have experienced then given a good seeing to in a erotic way by one bloke,is this too much to ask.i can find this in american porn but not in uk porn.
which brings me round to my main point uk producers are too old to produce for the younger generation like me we just have different tastes,like me and me dad total different.
i hope this opens a debate and as i said at the start i do not wish to offend jsut to challange and open a debate.
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Rick
Re: uk porn
I'd imagine the problem is that most young people don't have either the financial means or the neccesary contacts and experience to succesfuly produce and market such a product. It's one thing thinking about it, quite another thing to do it. The comparison with the U.S industry is a moot one. L.A is the worldwide mecca of porn with a ready stream of fresh new young models and a plethora of producers churning out product. It's much harder to find girls willing to do video work in the U.K and those who do usually approach the half a dozen or so established producers, as they are professional, experienced and in this game, as in every other, repuatation and word of mouth is everything. That makes it extrememly tough for a new producer to break through. Not Impossible but very tough. Our draconian laws dont help matters, but thats a whole seperate issue.
Despite all that I must admit though you make some good points, as a 23 year old guy I'm pretty much in agreement on your basic assertation, there certainly is an ever growing generation gap in U.K porn and a whole lucrative section of the market is at the moment going pretty much uncatered for and untapped. Sad really.
Despite all that I must admit though you make some good points, as a 23 year old guy I'm pretty much in agreement on your basic assertation, there certainly is an ever growing generation gap in U.K porn and a whole lucrative section of the market is at the moment going pretty much uncatered for and untapped. Sad really.
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martin kane
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i understand totally what your saying and agree,iam only 22 and would prefer to see the things you suggest. i have the financial means but not the time to make a film but think making a film MY way would be a good idea so i might have a pop early next year with a bit of advice from the right people and a good budget i dont see why it cant be done,and as it would be fun for me i wouldnt mind too much about sales etc.like i said i cant do it at the moment but definately will have a try in the future.i have gone to a couple of bukkakes and gangbang parties to watch how they are filmed (and because of the sexy sandie and faye rampton of course) and kept pretty quiet and tried to just watch how the camera and stills are done and ask a few questions and learn really. like i said i guess ill just have to see what the future holds,but making a film is definately one of my goals.
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goldenballs
Re: uk porn
I generally agree with the point(s) you've raised. I'm 27 and feel pretty much the same. Although I've got plenty of UK porn and think there are many stunning UK porn girls out there, probably the best scenes/vids/dvds i've got are the european or US ones.
Saying that though, i slightly disagree with a couple of points, firstly i don't feel the need for scenes to be particularly realistic, but variation is important. Yes, the same style over and over gets boring. But i don't need a scene to mirror the way i or anyone else may go about 'getting a shag'.
the other thing i disagree with - although it's no big deal, just different tastes - is the threesome issue. I don't really have a preference (mmf or ffm), again although a threesome with 2 girls may be more realistic or closer to an individual fantasy, its for that reason that i also enjoy mmf scenes (or those with 3 or 4 guys and a girl), because of how unlikely it is that that would happen in real life. (does anyone know any girls that have sex with 3, 4 or more guys that aren't being filmed?)
Good points though.
Saying that though, i slightly disagree with a couple of points, firstly i don't feel the need for scenes to be particularly realistic, but variation is important. Yes, the same style over and over gets boring. But i don't need a scene to mirror the way i or anyone else may go about 'getting a shag'.
the other thing i disagree with - although it's no big deal, just different tastes - is the threesome issue. I don't really have a preference (mmf or ffm), again although a threesome with 2 girls may be more realistic or closer to an individual fantasy, its for that reason that i also enjoy mmf scenes (or those with 3 or 4 guys and a girl), because of how unlikely it is that that would happen in real life. (does anyone know any girls that have sex with 3, 4 or more guys that aren't being filmed?)
Good points though.
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FBlu
Re: uk porn
I totally agree with some of the points raised in this thread. I am quite tired and bored of watching the same old storylines.
Although, i do like the idea of 2 or more guys shagging the girl, i think i prefer one guy with 2 gorgeous women.
Some of the storylines are just ridiculous.
Come on, where are the creative producers of the generation?
Let's see some unique, innovative and fresh storylines in there.
While we're on the topic, what storyline would you ppl prefer?
Although, i do like the idea of 2 or more guys shagging the girl, i think i prefer one guy with 2 gorgeous women.
Some of the storylines are just ridiculous.
Come on, where are the creative producers of the generation?
Let's see some unique, innovative and fresh storylines in there.
While we're on the topic, what storyline would you ppl prefer?
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vila
Re: uk porn
I think what this shows above all is that there's room for everything in the porn market.
It also seems to confirm there is indeed an age gap in customer expectation - as an 'oldie' of more than twice your age, a scenario depicting the sort of situation I'm likely to experience for myself is absolutely the last thing I would want in a porn film. After all, if it's something I could do myself, surely that would be far more exciting/satisfying than watching someone else do it on video? The fact that others of your age group seem to agree with you shows the truth of the old sayings like "one man's meat is another's poison", "horses for courses" etc. I think the reason is possibly that you've grown up at the same time as the steady progress of acceptance of porn in society (except for the ITC, of course!) and that therefore it's much more closely linked with your normal sex life.
As regards personal fantasies, I think that using those as a limit to your porn subject matter is to lose out on a whole lot more. Just because a particular situation isn't a personal fantasy doesn't mean it can't be erotic. For me, watching others engage in lewd behaviour I would never have the nerve for is a huge turn-on. Threesomes, foursomes, orgies of any permutation - bring'em all on that's what I say.
None of which detracts from the fact that if what floats your boat is "boy meets girl in nightclub and they go home and shag themselves silly in a bedsit" then you should be able to go out and buy just that. Porn producers take note!
It also seems to confirm there is indeed an age gap in customer expectation - as an 'oldie' of more than twice your age, a scenario depicting the sort of situation I'm likely to experience for myself is absolutely the last thing I would want in a porn film. After all, if it's something I could do myself, surely that would be far more exciting/satisfying than watching someone else do it on video? The fact that others of your age group seem to agree with you shows the truth of the old sayings like "one man's meat is another's poison", "horses for courses" etc. I think the reason is possibly that you've grown up at the same time as the steady progress of acceptance of porn in society (except for the ITC, of course!) and that therefore it's much more closely linked with your normal sex life.
As regards personal fantasies, I think that using those as a limit to your porn subject matter is to lose out on a whole lot more. Just because a particular situation isn't a personal fantasy doesn't mean it can't be erotic. For me, watching others engage in lewd behaviour I would never have the nerve for is a huge turn-on. Threesomes, foursomes, orgies of any permutation - bring'em all on that's what I say.
None of which detracts from the fact that if what floats your boat is "boy meets girl in nightclub and they go home and shag themselves silly in a bedsit" then you should be able to go out and buy just that. Porn producers take note!
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Roger
Re: uk porn
Ugly Fat Old Git here. Okay I wouldn't disagree with a lot of what you have said but you make one statement (and you are not the only one to have made it on this forum); "There is a massive market for porn in the uk". Is there really any proof of this? Amongst the people I know, young and old, very few watch porn and those who do borrow it from one another. The last video to be passed around my way must have been at least 15 years old.
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vila
Re: uk porn
On reflection, it occurs to me that in my above "boy meets girl in nightclub . . . " scenario a UK vid would start at the point where they get to the bedsit and we'd only find out they met at the nightclub from their conversation. In other words we would miss the build up - the girl dancing in her sexy club gear - the guy spotting her and starting to get interested - her dancing getting raunchier as she does her best to land her catch - fondling and groping in the taxi - etc, etc. All adding to a building atmosphere that gets the viewer going in anticipation even before the real sex starts. Just like real life, in fact - maybe that's what SB is missing.
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P R Mann
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Quite so Roger. If there is "a massive market for porn" over here, then please, point me at it! Hey, it was not 24 hours ago that a very respected producer colleague of mine called to bemoan the fact that already weak Internet sales had all but dried up this month! If there was a ?massive market? believe me there would be a sex shop on every corner. Small time entrepreneurs don?t miss a trick and always jump on any profitable bandwagon.
The dudes who spend the most on adult video are in the age range 30-45 and like a quality product. The cost is usually a secondary consideration for this group. The younger guys (18-29) tend to prefer quantity to quality and would probably plump for a gonzo type movie, for no other reason than the fact that it would bare closest relation to the culture of the street - with which they have the strongest affinity. But, it must be cheap. Young guys don't seem very keen on spending money and seem to base purchasing decisions first and foremost on cost. Older guys (45-65) buy the same amount of movies as the young guys. They've got the dough and will spend it if they feel the need, but sadly their sexual appetites are diminishing. All guys show a marked preference for curvaceous girls sporting authentic big tits and so long as this prerequisite is met both glamour girls and housewives are popular.
P R Mann
The dudes who spend the most on adult video are in the age range 30-45 and like a quality product. The cost is usually a secondary consideration for this group. The younger guys (18-29) tend to prefer quantity to quality and would probably plump for a gonzo type movie, for no other reason than the fact that it would bare closest relation to the culture of the street - with which they have the strongest affinity. But, it must be cheap. Young guys don't seem very keen on spending money and seem to base purchasing decisions first and foremost on cost. Older guys (45-65) buy the same amount of movies as the young guys. They've got the dough and will spend it if they feel the need, but sadly their sexual appetites are diminishing. All guys show a marked preference for curvaceous girls sporting authentic big tits and so long as this prerequisite is met both glamour girls and housewives are popular.
P R Mann
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paul jones
Re: uk porn
I'm a performer, not a producer, but what you are asking for is stuff that will cost a lot more to make, and which the distributors aren't really prepared to pay more for, because they don't you guys will buy enough of it.