Thanks for the input of the last thread it has led me to mull over a few thoughts in my head again i am not having a go at anyone but just interested in seeing how other people feel about these.
18-30 age group has got to be a untapped market,heres why, we are more sexual liberated, we are open about sex .in the last 10 years the number of sex shops has doubled,the number of porn producers has gone from zero to must be at least 50.internet access for this age group is over 60% the largest demographic.we have had lad mags for @10 years these have created a culture of porn chic.massage parlours and escorts have boomed in the last 10 years .we dont want to get married at 18 like our dads did, we want to spend our huge disposable income on ourselves porn and pros
i feel the marketing of porn is awful,lets take the internet for example,enless pop ups promises of a nirvana of porn which when u click leads u to another gateway.the websites at the links pages to the uk producers either dont work or have infomation from 2002,i admit the best sites are the ones with girls who seem to be going it alone gl to em.another example of bad marketing is catalogues ,i have enquired for one cat three years later i still get 4 different cats from different companies,i have been put on a mailing list i cant get off.how annoying is that
(separate point here one of the companies who direct market me colour climax from denmark were involved in the production of child porn in the 70s when it was legal in denmark)
cost, today i bought gladiator,the lord of the rings,perfect storm,pulp ficton and res dogs on dvd from virgin for ?30 5 hollywood blockbusters for ?30 amazing,i buy my porn online never paid less than ?15 for dvd
come on big porn producer people we need a change give us the product for a reasonable price market it correctly and we can both be happy
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Ace
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I think you will find Color Climax did NOT make child porn 'when it was legal in Denmark'. Color Climax DID use models who were 16, and whilst this was under aged compared to the 17+ required, it was not considered child porn which has NEVER been legal in Denmark.
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joe king
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'one of the companies who direct market me colour climax from denmark were involved in the production of child porn in the 70s when it was legal in denmark'
actually - according to 'pornocopia' by laurence o'toole child porn from 1969- 1979 was tolerated in Denmark, Rodox made 10 min loops. Child porn was made illegal in denmark at the turn of the eighties.
actually - according to 'pornocopia' by laurence o'toole child porn from 1969- 1979 was tolerated in Denmark, Rodox made 10 min loops. Child porn was made illegal in denmark at the turn of the eighties.
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Bayleaf
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Up to a point sweaty bloke (litrerary reference)
The biggest growing demographic is 50+. With a fortune in house equity and low outgoings this is where the money is. Many many 18-30's may not be desperate to wed but they're struggling with six figure mortgages.
That is unless they're still at living home (a growing trend), but how many porn DVD's can you hide under the bed?
As for the cost of porn I agree that you can buy a Hollywood blockbuster with a production budget of $50m for less than a tenner but shell out ?25 for one that cost less than a grand to produce. But here its volume and retail competition that counts. Until Asda and Tesco start stocking R18's we're stuck.
The biggest growing demographic is 50+. With a fortune in house equity and low outgoings this is where the money is. Many many 18-30's may not be desperate to wed but they're struggling with six figure mortgages.
That is unless they're still at living home (a growing trend), but how many porn DVD's can you hide under the bed?
As for the cost of porn I agree that you can buy a Hollywood blockbuster with a production budget of $50m for less than a tenner but shell out ?25 for one that cost less than a grand to produce. But here its volume and retail competition that counts. Until Asda and Tesco start stocking R18's we're stuck.
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necromancer
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thank you sweaty bloke for a very interesting and enlightening thread.
There are many reasons why the British sex industry isn't what it could be. From a consumer's perspective you are starved of choice; from an industry perspective they are denied the ability (thru politics, culture, economics etc) to cater for your choice.
You suggest that you'd like to see Britporn adopt similar production values and the aspirational nature, of pornography that is produced in other countries. I don't share your view on this. But only, in as much as I'd like to see Britporn follow its own path, and develop it own style. I don't think we have to be beholdened forever to the "Benny-Hill, Carry-On, Confessions of" as THE uniquely British way of presenting sex as entertainment. This has, IMO, passed over in British (hardcore) porn as a legacy.
Perhaps this is why you see this as a generational thing. I'm not so sure, really. Its appealing to every generation to think that they were the 'true' sexual revolutionaries who had it better longer harder than any before. The thing is that sex has its own way of restoring balance. Those bright sparks of the sixties didn't en mass find a new path between sexual freedom and the monogomy of marriage - living out the porno fantasy of unlimited sexual partners. Most of them lived, in a sexual way, pretty much the same as their parents. So I guess for the 20-something generation of today, its a bit early to say that you're all that different from previous generations.
But something new has happen in your generation, as you point out - the Internet. Will it have an effect on Britporn? Perhaps not directly. But the Internet has a more pervasive effect. Not only does it connect people like you and me through excellent sites like this, it also allows people to make statements about their sexuality in the public sphere. Each swingers ad you see can be viewed as (sorry for the jargon) a quasi-political statement about the individual and their sexuality. In short people are opening their eyes to new sexual possibilites and not settling for the old ones. This is a radical and tangiable shift from the monogomy concensus. The gay revolution has been massively important in this respect too.
So perhaps you're right. Perhaps the new generation of 20-something wants a lot more than Britporn offers.
IMO Britporn needs to remember that films need more than technology and sex. The viewer needs to be engaged. Ben Dover does this so well in his movies, and so do others. But like you say, we've done the gonzo thing. British Gonzo is the evolutionary result of the 'Benny-Hill etc' legacy and that's maybe why Britain, most noteably in the form of Ben Dover, has produced some world-beating stuff. But there are other ways to engage the viewer than by 'being one of them' - the archetypeal cheeky geezer.
The challenge before Britporn isn't just to find the funding to produce bigger films, it is to find, or to redefine itself - to get across something of the 'British' essence in a sex film. That takes more than just sticking a union flag on the box. We have a rich culture and history to plunder, and creative talent coming from film schools, universities, and from street level with the sort of attitude to sex that 'sweaty bloke' exemplfies. Perhaps the changes will come from those new entrants to the ranks of the producers. Who knows. They'll still be fighting the same difficult battles that current producers bemoan, but maybe with greater public and political sympathy than before.
NECROMANCER
There are many reasons why the British sex industry isn't what it could be. From a consumer's perspective you are starved of choice; from an industry perspective they are denied the ability (thru politics, culture, economics etc) to cater for your choice.
You suggest that you'd like to see Britporn adopt similar production values and the aspirational nature, of pornography that is produced in other countries. I don't share your view on this. But only, in as much as I'd like to see Britporn follow its own path, and develop it own style. I don't think we have to be beholdened forever to the "Benny-Hill, Carry-On, Confessions of" as THE uniquely British way of presenting sex as entertainment. This has, IMO, passed over in British (hardcore) porn as a legacy.
Perhaps this is why you see this as a generational thing. I'm not so sure, really. Its appealing to every generation to think that they were the 'true' sexual revolutionaries who had it better longer harder than any before. The thing is that sex has its own way of restoring balance. Those bright sparks of the sixties didn't en mass find a new path between sexual freedom and the monogomy of marriage - living out the porno fantasy of unlimited sexual partners. Most of them lived, in a sexual way, pretty much the same as their parents. So I guess for the 20-something generation of today, its a bit early to say that you're all that different from previous generations.
But something new has happen in your generation, as you point out - the Internet. Will it have an effect on Britporn? Perhaps not directly. But the Internet has a more pervasive effect. Not only does it connect people like you and me through excellent sites like this, it also allows people to make statements about their sexuality in the public sphere. Each swingers ad you see can be viewed as (sorry for the jargon) a quasi-political statement about the individual and their sexuality. In short people are opening their eyes to new sexual possibilites and not settling for the old ones. This is a radical and tangiable shift from the monogomy concensus. The gay revolution has been massively important in this respect too.
So perhaps you're right. Perhaps the new generation of 20-something wants a lot more than Britporn offers.
IMO Britporn needs to remember that films need more than technology and sex. The viewer needs to be engaged. Ben Dover does this so well in his movies, and so do others. But like you say, we've done the gonzo thing. British Gonzo is the evolutionary result of the 'Benny-Hill etc' legacy and that's maybe why Britain, most noteably in the form of Ben Dover, has produced some world-beating stuff. But there are other ways to engage the viewer than by 'being one of them' - the archetypeal cheeky geezer.
The challenge before Britporn isn't just to find the funding to produce bigger films, it is to find, or to redefine itself - to get across something of the 'British' essence in a sex film. That takes more than just sticking a union flag on the box. We have a rich culture and history to plunder, and creative talent coming from film schools, universities, and from street level with the sort of attitude to sex that 'sweaty bloke' exemplfies. Perhaps the changes will come from those new entrants to the ranks of the producers. Who knows. They'll still be fighting the same difficult battles that current producers bemoan, but maybe with greater public and political sympathy than before.
NECROMANCER