I don't want anyone to think I am opposed to all the regulations etc but I think we are doing plenty towards the safety of our actresess. maybe not enough but we are actually doing something. I personally and thats all I can speak for get Tested regularly just because I feel its a responsible thing to do. I always use a condom unless I know the girl and she has a test. I insist the girls and guys in my movies get a tests and bring it. In the last series of Fuck Truck we began using condoms but after 3 scenes stopped because the guys struggled a bit. I think using condoms in a movie looks stupid (just me) I don't make safe sex documentaries I make fuck films I make pornography, I try to make it with as much safety as possible but like you said it is inpossible to be completly safe I have asked about the spunk in the eye thing and was told it is laboratory possible when asked for further advise was told there are no recorded cases, that does not mean there are non just not recorded.....I know the other producers are reading this and you lot have done a good job of scaring them out of the topic I can understand their keep the heads down routine, maybe I should as well.
To Answer Angel, You must decide for yourself whether to work with reputable producers like myself or not, the word industry cannot be used as it does not apply, the top girls make the decisions on what they do or don't do and as a producer I work within their guides HIV is not at any level of danger within the UK regardless of any propaganda to the opposite,,,How many cases are there in the Industry ask Shy..or maybe everyone is hiding it I dont think so. The media would swarm over such a juicy story and the goverment who don't want you lot shagging would be running a told you so campain....Fact is fyrfyter faces a more dangerous job every day as do many other ordinary(with the greatest respect) people and for a lot less money than an actress, he kits up well and trains for the event practices drills the whole lot. Then even knowing it is dangerous does the job and thank you for that...lets agree to be careful lets agree to make some additional safety checks lets get more advice from qualified people but please don't let us get paranoid. You have more chance getting HIV in a night club than a porn shoot. and that is a fact the biggest increase in STD's recorded in London last year was in danceland and that is a fact.. Drugs like coke. speed & ecstasy reduce the common sense levels in everyone leading to ordinary girls/guys having multiple partners in the same night unprotected.
I await the linch mob.
Phil McC
Dililema
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fevrd
Re: Dililema
Something that no-one seems to have mentioned is that I believe girls charge less for doing bukkake than for doing gangbangs. That might not make much difference to a porn producer but a party organiser is usually on a very thin and uncertain margin.
If girls could be persuaded that bukkake was worth more than gangbang maybe they could be persuaded to charge it and then there would be less bukkake. Maybe it would just die (please God).
Guys I've spoken to at bukkake parties have often said to me that they'd prefer a gangbang anyway.
If girls could be persuaded that bukkake was worth more than gangbang maybe they could be persuaded to charge it and then there would be less bukkake. Maybe it would just die (please God).
Guys I've spoken to at bukkake parties have often said to me that they'd prefer a gangbang anyway.
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(fyrfyter) John
Phil
You talk a lot of sense...
What worries me is that girls are getting into the bukkake scene UNAWARE of the dangers... Consequently they are compromising their certificates and putting others in the industry at risk.
Now I agree - there clearly isn't a problem in the industry as yet - but let us not forget that the bukkake parties featuring the big name pornstars are relatively new...
Do these girls know the risk they are running? Clearly they don't because I was posting practically the same messages 6 months ago (on this thread - )... Now if Angel has only just picked up on this - how many others have been unaware of the risk they are running. And if they knew the risks - would they really do it and risk not only their health but compromising their name in the industry and putting colleagues at risk.
I admit it - I'm probably at more risk in my job than a porn star... I crawl around burning drugs dens full of discarded hypodermics (well... I used to - these days I just drive the big red trucks and have to watch the others do the good stuff)... and that's in addition to the inherent hazards of the job...
But the point os - I know the risks I am taking and I am aware of them. I exercise extreme caution... and if I were to be subjected to a needle stick injury or suffer body fluids at a RTA - I'd be responsible enough to take myself out of circulation and go through the necessary tests and quarantine period... The point is - some of these girls have not been empowered with the education, they subjected themselves to potential nasties exposure from untested, uncertificated fellas and they are STILL IN CIRCULATION.... That's the bit that is wrong.
It's all about being empowered with the information and subjecting yourself to a level of risk you're comfortable with... Bukkake parties with certificated gorls and uncertificated guys - it's not on.
What worries me is that girls are getting into the bukkake scene UNAWARE of the dangers... Consequently they are compromising their certificates and putting others in the industry at risk.
Now I agree - there clearly isn't a problem in the industry as yet - but let us not forget that the bukkake parties featuring the big name pornstars are relatively new...
Do these girls know the risk they are running? Clearly they don't because I was posting practically the same messages 6 months ago (on this thread - )... Now if Angel has only just picked up on this - how many others have been unaware of the risk they are running. And if they knew the risks - would they really do it and risk not only their health but compromising their name in the industry and putting colleagues at risk.
I admit it - I'm probably at more risk in my job than a porn star... I crawl around burning drugs dens full of discarded hypodermics (well... I used to - these days I just drive the big red trucks and have to watch the others do the good stuff)... and that's in addition to the inherent hazards of the job...
But the point os - I know the risks I am taking and I am aware of them. I exercise extreme caution... and if I were to be subjected to a needle stick injury or suffer body fluids at a RTA - I'd be responsible enough to take myself out of circulation and go through the necessary tests and quarantine period... The point is - some of these girls have not been empowered with the education, they subjected themselves to potential nasties exposure from untested, uncertificated fellas and they are STILL IN CIRCULATION.... That's the bit that is wrong.
It's all about being empowered with the information and subjecting yourself to a level of risk you're comfortable with... Bukkake parties with certificated gorls and uncertificated guys - it's not on.
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PGro
Re: Dililema
As much as I would hate to see my all-time fave star quit the biz I'm a firm believer in that if you're not happy or 100% sure of something you got to bite the bullet and quit, especially in something where you're worried about your health. Never mind statistics and facts, peace of mind is a very valuable thing that you can't measure. If you did quit Angel I'd be very sad not to see you perform again but I'd admire you more for taking a brave decision.
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sandie
Re: Crome & goggles
(fyrfyter) John wrote:
> What you lads are suggesting is - "bugger the risk, it's got
> to be aesthetically pleasing" - that reflects very badly on
> you... you should be suitably ashamed by your attitudes.
no. thats not the case. as many precautions are taken as possible in porn. we all get into it knowing theres an element of risk and its debatable that the risk is less than some other circumstances and more than others aside from porn.
now think about ur comment and take into account that we all know there are some risks when we make porn. no one wants to harm or kill any one. now that would make a good court case!
ok so ur thinking now...u have just invested a five figure sum of money into a film and u need to recoup and make a profit. it wont sell with condoms!
we all want to demonstraight responsibility and safe sex but the reality is that porn isnt real - its one big fuck off fantasy. joe bloggs goes into a shop to buy bella donnas new vid. he dont wanna see her with condoms. he wants her to blow his mind!
we thought about trying bukkake with condoms and figured it wouldnt work but i have re thought (extreamly long and hard) and as long as the punters can accept the changes i believe now it is do-able.
so lets see if some of u party goers that have contributed to this discussion now have the conviction of ur words and will give the new "safe" bukkake version a go!
abit of support wouldnt go a miss and if all goes to plan no one is in any sort of risk!
hope this is the sort of positive action angel will have desired and that others may rapidly follow suit.
> What you lads are suggesting is - "bugger the risk, it's got
> to be aesthetically pleasing" - that reflects very badly on
> you... you should be suitably ashamed by your attitudes.
no. thats not the case. as many precautions are taken as possible in porn. we all get into it knowing theres an element of risk and its debatable that the risk is less than some other circumstances and more than others aside from porn.
now think about ur comment and take into account that we all know there are some risks when we make porn. no one wants to harm or kill any one. now that would make a good court case!
ok so ur thinking now...u have just invested a five figure sum of money into a film and u need to recoup and make a profit. it wont sell with condoms!
we all want to demonstraight responsibility and safe sex but the reality is that porn isnt real - its one big fuck off fantasy. joe bloggs goes into a shop to buy bella donnas new vid. he dont wanna see her with condoms. he wants her to blow his mind!
we thought about trying bukkake with condoms and figured it wouldnt work but i have re thought (extreamly long and hard) and as long as the punters can accept the changes i believe now it is do-able.
so lets see if some of u party goers that have contributed to this discussion now have the conviction of ur words and will give the new "safe" bukkake version a go!
abit of support wouldnt go a miss and if all goes to plan no one is in any sort of risk!
hope this is the sort of positive action angel will have desired and that others may rapidly follow suit.
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Phil McC
Re: Crome & goggles
Angus or Dennis, I don't think the dangers are that high, I am not being flipant just honest if I don't know anyone or Shy does than thats Europe and the States covered, so where is this budding epidemic coming from. I think the eyes should be used for looking in this case rather than getting in the way of cum. I have spoke with another person who writes for womens mags on the subject and she would prefer girls like Angel to use their power to help with unwanted teenage pregnacies and teen suicides which is greatly on the increase.
Phil McC
Phil McC
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marcusallen
Re: Crome & goggles
ANY Lady in this biz, regardless of what she has/not done is more than welcome as my guest, I will pay appropriate fees (I know I don't havre to)but am happy to do so.
Mail me fdor a meeting place & we'll descend.
What is done is done.
Mail me fdor a meeting place & we'll descend.
What is done is done.
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Sorry?
Re: Crome & goggles
Gawd bless yer, Sir....but I wish to God I knew what you were on about at least HALF the time.........
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(fyrfyter) John
Sandie - you have taken me out of context
Facials in porn is fine... certificated studs, certificated girls.... Facials with CERTIFICATED GIRLS and UNcertificated guys is a risk that puts the girls at risk and compromises their certificate...