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yes Nobby great to see a forumite willing to speak their mind, in a survey they recently stated that 80% of Ethnic people in Britain said they were British, yes fine, but they also went on to say that they were NOT English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish, well the last time I looked the British Isles consisted of these 4 countries, so if you are not proud to belong to one of those 4 home countries how the hell can you be classed as British??
It seems these guys have it so good they want their own schools, their own churches, their own ideals, their own religion, but it seems to be as much as anything that is said against the whole ?Minority? as a whole is out of order and not acceptable, basically the picture that Kilroy has painted has in the whole been agreed with most folks I have spoke to, let?s just say that in Scotland he has went up in most folks reckoning, to make it worse the board of racial equality want to make this a police matter, what a fucking laugh ... what the fuck is this country coming to.

Not everyone in Scotland. Most people I've spoken to think he's a dickhead.

What he said is absurd. It's like us accusing all 250 million Americans of being warmongers, or saying all Liverpudlians are dole-sponging thieves, or all Scots are dour, miserable, dirty, deep-fat food eating xenophobes. You cannot judge everybody by a small proportion. To judge by the people who make the headlines---the ones who stand out---yes, a lot of Muslims do seem to have it in for the west. But since they are the only ones being quoted, what else do you have to go on. Again and again, it comes down to the media which for the most part has become an unquestioning tool of government or business. Muslims and Christians getting on doesn't sell newspapers, or garner ratings. Gangs of Asian and white youths fighting in Lancashire is big news, though.

I had never been ashamed of being Scottish until just after September 11, when some of my fellow countrymen were calling for Asian businesses to be boycotted, for Pakistanis and Indians to be forced to speak English so that we would know what they were saying about us. And let's not forget the great Scottish welcome accorded to the asylum seekers dumped in Glasgow, who didn't want to be there, and who were treated as worse than the shite on people's shoes. The previous stereotypical view of the friendly Scot, who gets on with all (except the English) and is accepting of other cultures, really died for me.

Don't count us all in your racist rant, Crofter. My country right or wrong doesn't exist. And just because we share a country of birth doesn't mean I subscribe to your nasty, embittered, jaundiced views. Speak for yourself, by all means---but don't dare to think you speak for everyone else.

Fear leads to ignorant behaviour

We had a Politician who was also a Christian Reverend calling for Muslim women to stop wearing the traditional head dress just after September 11th

His reason....they might be concealing a weapon

Absolutely Ludicrous but true

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B....OZ

There were a lot of frightened people after September 11. It was a scary few days. Ignorant bastards here and in the States were attacking Sikhs because they didn't know the difference. Trampling on people's rights doesn't make things less scary---usually the reverse since you're now giving them a good reason to hate you.

Stereotypes might be good for the odd joke here and there, but sweeping generalisations about people leads to an attitude where you can ignore them as human beings. This "us and them" mentality, at least partially championed by the sainted Kilroy Silk, makes me sick. If I didn't make a fuss at the time he first made the comments, it's because I wasn't aware of them. I wouldn't use the Express to wipe my arse---it's a reactionary rag, same as much of the tabloids in the UK.

I know you're not guilty of it, Buttsie, so this isn't aimed at you, but I really hate the jingoism that people freely embrace at such times. I'm a Scot but it doesn't mean I like all Scots---some of them are among the worst examples of humanity; I may not like what the Germans, or the French, or the Americans stand for at times, but it doesn't mean I hate the French, Germans or Americans. Do the people endorsing this attitude actually believe that every Arab, Asian or person descended from those races is plotting to kill all us westerners? At times it seems likes that's what they're saying.

And I really despise those that have the temerity to suggest they are speaking for everyone.

"Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations, may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong." Naval commander Stephen Decatur originated the phrase in a toast given at an April 1816 banquet in Norfolk, Virginia, to celebrate his victory over the Barbary pirates. (The action in Algeria also gave the U.S. Marine Corps anthem its "to the shores of Tripoli" phrase, saluting their first renowned military action.)

Fifty-five years later, Carl Schurz, German-born U.S. general and U.S. senator, clarified the concept, "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right." British author, G. K. Chesterton would probably have agreed with Schurz, since he wrote in 1901, "'My country, right or wrong' is a thing that no patriot would think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.'"

Mart

I see he's amended his stance:



If he'd referred to oppressive regimes in the first place, there'd have been no problem---but no, he had to damn an entire race of people.

Some of us are old enough to remember when the government of the day was apologising profusely to the Saudis after the TV documentary Death Of A Princess in the early 80s. The regime hasn't changed, it's still considered an important ally in the area, and there is still no democracy. Kuwait, which we fought to regain from Iraq, is still run by the same family as before the conflict, as far as I can tell. And there would have been no clamour for democracy in Hong Kong if China hadn't been reclaiming it a few years ago. Democracy is something we bang on about with regard to our enemies, but keep shtum about when we or our allies are involved.

This is exactly why we and Kilroy should say what we feel. Does anyone outthere believe that what has been said on this forum would be allowed in Kuwait?, Argentina?, or Peru.

Already i have seen postings which blurt out the old line "I'm no racist", when the actual crux of the matter is free speech, tolerance, and understanding. What Kilroy Silk said was not untrue and if anybody can convince me that there have been no suicide bombings, or women being stoned because of some minor infraction of muslim law, then i will be more than willing to codemn RKS.

Not so long ago Abu Hamza "Openly" spoke about is hatred of the west and confirmed he had instructed his students on what to do to westerners.

I cannot see any difference beween what has been said either by RKS or AH the only difference is because a white man has said something not so politically correct he is obviously racist.

But i will say this, i have nephews2yrs and 14months old, and i seriously fear for their future in this country, and you know why? because at sometime, someone is going to object to having let say WHITE in the colours of the union jack, and at that point because everyone will want to be PC it will be removed, thats how crazy this situation has got.

NOBBY

Nationalism is a dangerous at the best of times let alone the worst

I'd almost say that if History wasn't taught tomorrows youth might actually grow up without the biased view that it brings

Can recall a town in the Balkans that was teaching 2 equally opposing views of the same history.Basically sowing the seeds of hatred in the next generation

Along came a Serb preaching Nationalism and the rest is history

I agree sweeping generalisations are destructive and totally pointless


The future is clouded especially those living in mulicultural societies

I've always thought that they do work but the media always picks up the extreme elements and portrays that community in that light

I've mentioned before a Gang Rape committed by a Lebanese gang in Sydney where the perpetrators weren't remorseful for their actions
instead blaming the girl for being scantily clad(how could they control themselves?) and easily picked up

This from so called good religious lads with a good home
When they were sentenced even the family were't remorseful...still blaming the girl

Scary to say the least....how would they have felt if it was one of their daughters?

They obviously perceived her as lower than life itself

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B....OZ

Indeed

That ends that great debate

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B....OZ