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"a mate who is 17 who has a little baby"

She sounds like a right chav.


"She gets about ?130 on the social and spends about ?40 a week on her habit"

Which is why I dodge as many taxes as possible. I don't want the fruits of my labours being spent on idiots, morons and the undeserving poor. She should get a job. I'm sure someone here would offer her a part in a gonzo movie.


"she smokes around the nipper without thought"

Sadly, being thick, feckless, and stupid, are well-established chav traits.



Officer Dibble

Its a knee kerk reaction to try and head off the mounting insurance claims made by workers now suffering from lung cancer due to years of passive smoking

Just like Public Liability Insurance it has everyone in business shit scared

As to the claims that it will cost jobs we've seen just the opposite in OZ

Many people stayed away from Pubs & Clubs because of smoking

When you consider the rate of smokers to non-smokers 70/30 thats a big slice of the market to ignore

cheers
B....OZ

Smoking is shit, that much cannot be denied. I have never smoked because I always, even as a child and a streetwise teen, knew it was a crappy habit done by crappy, weak people. It smells and it turns ceiling yellow. Is there a worse smell than a dead cigarette? I've never smelt a rotting corpse, so maybe I'll never know.... It beats me why almost everyone I know smokes. They must either be very stupid, or have deep-rooted self-esteem issues.

However, the current trend to "ban smoking" is just another nonsense beaurocratic directive designed by barristers/politicians/busybodies. Yeah, I'd love it if I never have to smoke someone elses fag smoke ever again, but how far are we going to go??
They design a chavvy out-of-control society where no-one has a clue about anything, and then impose ridulous directives on us ALL. Smoking is a pretty suicidle thing to do, but what differnce is this going to make? A total ban is is unworkable.

RetroDon wrote:

> Smoking is shit, that much cannot be denied. I have never
> smoked because I always, even as a child and a streetwise teen,
> knew it was a crappy habit done by crappy, weak people. It
> smells and it turns ceiling yellow. Is there a worse smell than
> a dead cigarette? I've never smelt a rotting corpse, so maybe
> I'll never know.... It beats me why almost everyone I know
> smokes. They must either be very stupid, or have deep-rooted
> self-esteem issues.

To keeps things in persepctive its also worth considering that Cigarettes are more addictive than Heroin and we all know how hard heroin is to kick

I'd expect there will be huge increase in the use of nicotine patches and the like....maybe if the government were serious about the laws it would be subsidising this medication for those that need it

Of all the classes its the poor who are more likely to smoke

of all my friends and colleagues over the years that have taken it up one factor was always paramount...stress...be it pressure at work or personal turmoil

>
> However, the current trend to "ban smoking" is just another
nonsense beaurocratic directive designed by
> barristers/politicians/busybodies. Yeah, I'd love it if I never
> have to smoke someone elses fag smoke ever again, but how far
> are we going to go??
> They design a chavvy out-of-control society where no-one has a
> clue about anything, and then impose ridulous directives on us
> ALL. Smoking is a pretty suicidle thing to do, but what
> differnce is this going to make? A total ban is is unworkable.

Nothing is unworkable just inconvenient because it requires individuals to change...we all know how most people hate change

Its when the laws become draconian like you become banned from medical treatment if your a smoker or fat that the alarm bells in society should be RINGING LOUDEST

cheers
B....OZ

Nice one Retrodon. Its called having the penny and the bun. You criticise smoking and you criticise the banning of it.

Mart

"even as a child and a streetwise teen, knew it was a crappy habit done by crappy, weak people."

What, you mean like chavs?


"They must either be very stupid, or have deep-rooted self-esteem issues. "

I hear that young chav birds are the social group who are most likely to take up the habit.

There's no need to ban stuff, no need to make ever more laws and strangle ourselves with bureaucracy. All it would take is some public finger pointing, name calling, and derision. If as a society we started openly sneering at this kind of social group for taking up smoking (or lairy drinking for that matter) pointing out that smoking is usually taken up by chav birds of limited intellect and social worth, by stupid slaggy losers who were not in the slightest bit 'cool'. Then, what you would find is that the smoking habit and the take-up rate would diminish, simply by virtue of social pressure. Much like in the 50's when chavy teenage mums were virtually unheard of. They didn't get pregnant (saving regular Joe taxpayers billions) because they would have been made social outcasts, derided, sneered at. Not nice, but, sadly, if you don't impose artificial limits and possible sanctions on the hard of thinking they tend to run amok (chav birds in Faleraki?) they just do not have any self control, self respect, or sense of decorum.

Trouble is, poncy middleclass PC fuckers are loath to acknowledge that certain social groups are crap, and if you don't acknowledge a problem you cannot begin to deal with it. So, the cycle of bullshit, bollocks and wasted money goes on...


Officer Dibble

Your underestimating the power of a drug addiction OD

I know plenty of people-middle class who smoke and say openly they hate themselves because they don't have the willpower to break it

Theres already plenty of social pressure being exerted against them and still they persist

Social pressure needs the whole community behind it and that is never going to happen in todays climate of minority groupings with a myriad of beliefs

I'd like to see you telling Muslims they can't smoke whilst they abide by their no alcohol lives

Single Unmarried Mothers being persecuted in the fifties and sixties was all due to the power of the Church which is in rapid decline even as we speak

Smoking hardly has the same grounds now does it

cheers
B....OZ

"Your underestimating the power of a drug addiction OD"

Not at all. My comments and suggestions were aimed mainly at those who were just putting their foot on the first rung of the smoking ladder. They think it's a 'cool' thing to do, but if as a society we can put over the message that it's not cool, but seriously naff and the preserve of what the Americans might term 'deadbeats' and losers, then maybe they might think twice?

"I'd like to see you telling Muslims they can't smoke whilst they abide by their no alcohol lives"

Er, what? Not sure where you're going with that one... But what I can say is that my best pal is a Muslim and there's nothing he likes better than a full pack of Benson & Hedges and a crate of Budweiser. He's got no time for all that 'Allah akbar' cobblers and the only time he sees the inside of a mosque is at weddings and funerals. He takes Islam about as seriously as I take Christianity - which is pretty groovy stance, I reckon.

I take your point about the Church suppressing chav mothers in the 50's and 60's. But the new religion of the chavs is tabloid culture. If you could seed a few stories about, say, Jordan announcing that she was giving up smoking 'cause she didn't want any potential celebrity boyfriends to think she was both a moron and a scrubber' that kind of thing. It would be pretty painless for the chavs, they'd never know they were being manipulated and waltzed though invisible social hoops.


Officer Dibble

Officer Dibble wrote:

> "Your underestimating the power of a drug addiction OD"
>
> Not at all. My comments and suggestions were aimed mainly at
> those who were just putting their foot on the first rung of the
> smoking ladder. They think it's a 'cool' thing to do, but if as
> a society we can put over the message that it's not cool, but
> seriously naff and the preserve of what the Americans might
> term 'deadbeats' and losers, then maybe they might think twice?

I'd say that war has already been lost...they banned cigarette advertising & sponsorship which is fine but that just moved the money into Films & TV Show scripts with your favourites puffing away...no guesses as to the real sponsors of these scripts and i don't see them sponsoring any scripts where smoking is seen as uncool or unhealthy

You are right that the Media has the power to influence even intelligent people to their betterment or detriment

> "I'd like to see you telling Muslims they can't smoke whilst
> they abide by their no alcohol lives"
>
> Er, what? Not sure where you're going with that one... But what
> I can say is that my best pal is a Muslim and there's nothing
> he likes better than a full pack of Benson & Hedges and a crate
> of Budweiser. He's got no time for all that 'Allah akbar'
> cobblers and the only time he sees the inside of a mosque is at
> weddings and funerals. He takes Islam about as seriously as I
> take Christianity - which is pretty groovy stance, I reckon.

Sounds like he's assimilated very well-smart man

I was just pointing out that
if you look at any strictly Muslim Country the abscence of alcohol has basically made nicotine their drug of choice by default.

I'm betting the places where they congregate wouldn't have such draconian blanket bans in relation to smoking not that I know for sure
>
> I take your point about the Church suppressing chav mothers in
> the 50's and 60's. But the new religion of the chavs is tabloid
> culture. If you could seed a few stories about, say, Jordan
> announcing that she was giving up smoking 'cause she didn't
> want any potential celebrity boyfriends to think she was both a
> moron and a scrubber' that kind of thing. It would be pretty
> painless for the chavs, they'd never know they were being
> manipulated and waltzed though invisible social hoops.

How about something like the last episode of Sex In the City
ending with the 4 in a cancer ward with Lung cancer...reality TV at its best
>
>
> Officer Dibble

Think of it this way ....

The more smokers that give up the less tax the goverment will get .... so it's safe to say taxs will go up for everyone to cover the loss.

No one wins