Yes i have just watched question time old Shirley Williams as always has the answers after the show, some bird called Alice Miles never heard of her, Lourd Falconer who toes the goverment line ,David Willets for the conservatives now wonder they are still in opposittion, Derek Lourd some Poof who also i have never heard of. and yes the retirement age did get a brief hearing, but not as long as 24 hour drinking or even Fox hunting which was past a year ago or more, well so your retirement age isnt so important to the above named.
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It's all well and good cribbing civil servants, but many of them won't still be "civil servants" for long, there is a big push now to contract out a lot of jobs to private companies. As an example, the guys who teach the forces to drive HGV's are civil servants, in a couple of years time their job will be done by a private company employing people on the usual crap terms and conditions. This is just an example of wider effort to contract many posts, and is a general indication of the way things are going.
I am classed as being a "local govt officer" and have a Supperannuation pension, allegedly one of the best. However my job won't be around much longer and I consider my 1 years of contributions to be money wasted. Pensions are a load of bollocks, if you want to exit the rat race then it is down to the individual to educate themselves and invest themselves, rather than pay some company to invest badly and change their conditions and then turn around and dictate their terms to the person who has spent years handing them money.
It is disgraceful to raise the age of retirement but I wouldn't worry unduly - Gordon's fabulous economy is about to go bang, so look out for yourselves and then invest in all those houses that will get reposessed, and remove yourselves from this dreadful situation. Speculate to accumulate and then take your money abroad.
In 3 years time they will probably have got rid of the "retirement age" altogether, and any form of state pension will be means-tested.
I am classed as being a "local govt officer" and have a Supperannuation pension, allegedly one of the best. However my job won't be around much longer and I consider my 1 years of contributions to be money wasted. Pensions are a load of bollocks, if you want to exit the rat race then it is down to the individual to educate themselves and invest themselves, rather than pay some company to invest badly and change their conditions and then turn around and dictate their terms to the person who has spent years handing them money.
It is disgraceful to raise the age of retirement but I wouldn't worry unduly - Gordon's fabulous economy is about to go bang, so look out for yourselves and then invest in all those houses that will get reposessed, and remove yourselves from this dreadful situation. Speculate to accumulate and then take your money abroad.
In 3 years time they will probably have got rid of the "retirement age" altogether, and any form of state pension will be means-tested.
They're locking them up today, they're throwing away the key...I wonder who it be tomorrow, you or me?
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I'm 23, and frankly I'm pissed off about the pensions thing. From what I can remember, Blair himself created the crisis by removing money from the pensions fund to balance his books elsewhere (as previously stated, it's only a matter of a few years before the economy goes tits up due to Blairs dodgy dealings and him appointing a Chancellor of the Exchequer who can't even fucking add up). He then goes on to say about the loooming pensions crisis (neglecting to mention that he's the person that created it), and INCREASES MPs pensions just to further take the piss.
I voted against Blair twice, and I always assumed that the middle-aged and OAPs voted for him, but every time I'm on the bus there's that very group of people complaining about him and saying how they didn't vote for him and that it was the 18-30's group that did. Who exactly did vote for Blair, or did he fix the previous 2 elections(several labour MPs have been investigated for postal vote fraud, and I do remember seeing a television program a few years aback about a very large number of postal vote ballots belonging to immigrants being delivered to the one house and the occupant using them all to vote for Labour. This was only discovered when some other guy at a similar sounding address was delivered a whole bunch of these ballots by mistake) like I suspect he did?
I voted against Blair twice, and I always assumed that the middle-aged and OAPs voted for him, but every time I'm on the bus there's that very group of people complaining about him and saying how they didn't vote for him and that it was the 18-30's group that did. Who exactly did vote for Blair, or did he fix the previous 2 elections(several labour MPs have been investigated for postal vote fraud, and I do remember seeing a television program a few years aback about a very large number of postal vote ballots belonging to immigrants being delivered to the one house and the occupant using them all to vote for Labour. This was only discovered when some other guy at a similar sounding address was delivered a whole bunch of these ballots by mistake) like I suspect he did?
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Officer Dibble
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"I'm 23, and frankly I'm pissed off about the pensions thing."
You're right to be pissed off. But you're going to be a hell of a lot more pissed off in 20 years or so when you have to start bearing the tax burden that will be needed to provide healthcare and welfare to the baby boomers of the 60's. There will be less of you and more of them. It's quite worrying.
"Blair himself created the crisis by removing money from the pensions fund to balance his books elsewhere"
That wasn't our Tone, that was his Chancellor - Gordon 'Prudence' Brown. People should take that on board, what with Gordon lining himself up for the top job and all.
"t's only a matter of a few years before the economy goes tits up due to Blairs dodgy dealings"
Er, what doggy dealings? I thought it was Gordon who held the purse strings and dealt with matters budgetary?
"and INCREASES MPs pensions just to further take the piss."
Once again we need to be clear on these matters. It wasn't Tone who decreed that MP's should have a bigger slice of the cake; it was MP's themselves (the self serving fuckers). They all had one man one vote on the issue. Now, I don't mind folks asking for a pay rise or even awarding themselves one - it's just when those folks start talking a load of pretentious, hypocritical, bollocks about the needy, the 'disadvantaged' and the Third World, that I get pissed off.
"Who exactly did vote for Blair, "
Only about 25% of the electorate. And a large proportion of those will have been youngish, middleclass, naive, Nancy nonces, who tend to work in the public sector (in professional, clerical or managerial capacities) and read the Guardian. Immigrants would probably lean towards Labour and there might even have been a few working class folks - but of the lumpen, feckless, variety that aren?t capable of making their own way in the world and are happy to reply on government handouts.
The pensions crisis is a serious issue that is not being addressed properly (along with other serious issues, such as energy, population, and resources). Most people have their heads in the sand or just don't know what day it is.
It's silly saying that the Government or Tony Blair is being mean with pension money, because the only money they have is what you give them (taxes). They do not have a huge bottomless pot of money to hand out to all and sundry. The money you give them is divided up paying due regard to keeping the whole country running. You vote for governments partly on the basis of how you want the national pot divided up. For my own part I would suggest not funding failures and not financing the feckless. A huge amount of money is pissed away on benefits. If benefits were reduced the recipients would have to get their act together and earn or make their own dough - and in the process this would expand the national money pot to everyone's benefit.
Officer Dibble
You're right to be pissed off. But you're going to be a hell of a lot more pissed off in 20 years or so when you have to start bearing the tax burden that will be needed to provide healthcare and welfare to the baby boomers of the 60's. There will be less of you and more of them. It's quite worrying.
"Blair himself created the crisis by removing money from the pensions fund to balance his books elsewhere"
That wasn't our Tone, that was his Chancellor - Gordon 'Prudence' Brown. People should take that on board, what with Gordon lining himself up for the top job and all.
"t's only a matter of a few years before the economy goes tits up due to Blairs dodgy dealings"
Er, what doggy dealings? I thought it was Gordon who held the purse strings and dealt with matters budgetary?
"and INCREASES MPs pensions just to further take the piss."
Once again we need to be clear on these matters. It wasn't Tone who decreed that MP's should have a bigger slice of the cake; it was MP's themselves (the self serving fuckers). They all had one man one vote on the issue. Now, I don't mind folks asking for a pay rise or even awarding themselves one - it's just when those folks start talking a load of pretentious, hypocritical, bollocks about the needy, the 'disadvantaged' and the Third World, that I get pissed off.
"Who exactly did vote for Blair, "
Only about 25% of the electorate. And a large proportion of those will have been youngish, middleclass, naive, Nancy nonces, who tend to work in the public sector (in professional, clerical or managerial capacities) and read the Guardian. Immigrants would probably lean towards Labour and there might even have been a few working class folks - but of the lumpen, feckless, variety that aren?t capable of making their own way in the world and are happy to reply on government handouts.
The pensions crisis is a serious issue that is not being addressed properly (along with other serious issues, such as energy, population, and resources). Most people have their heads in the sand or just don't know what day it is.
It's silly saying that the Government or Tony Blair is being mean with pension money, because the only money they have is what you give them (taxes). They do not have a huge bottomless pot of money to hand out to all and sundry. The money you give them is divided up paying due regard to keeping the whole country running. You vote for governments partly on the basis of how you want the national pot divided up. For my own part I would suggest not funding failures and not financing the feckless. A huge amount of money is pissed away on benefits. If benefits were reduced the recipients would have to get their act together and earn or make their own dough - and in the process this would expand the national money pot to everyone's benefit.
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Bob Singleton
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The irony of raising the age of retirement was pointed out by a letter to The Guardian this morning... the guy said he wouldn't mind working until he was 67; the only problem was that at the age of 56 he couldn't currently get a job because he was too old!
"But how to make Liverpool economically prosperous? If only there was some way for Liverpudlians to profit from going on and on about the past in a whiny voice."
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