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But they could arrest them on suspicion of being terrorists and then release them if the suspicions turn out to be nothing or as you put it a lack of evidence.

I suppose it all depends on who decides what good evidence is

In answer to Dorrins comment. yes I se where you are coming from but there is a reason why certain cases become high profile and wy most never get the same exposure and although you may think it comes down to race, it has far more bigger inplications than the average (i say for lack of a better word) murder and that is:

Stephens lawrences murder reached a lot of people, anti racists, muslims (the nation of islam) and various other factions that this incident was becoming a tinderbox that could spark a lot of civil unrest...and it still could which is the reason why it is being given this amount of media attention.

te Soham case was another similar situation. The comunity in Soham were so outraged it wouldnt surprise me that the police were worried it was going to cause major problems for them if people start accusing anyone that looked at any kid in a funny way. That community would have torn the first suspects to pieces. Hence why it got high profile and it makes news because a lot more people are interested in what is actually going on.

Another reason why The Stephen lawrence murder was made a big deal out of is because of paranoia also that people of colour could easily be killed because of...their colour or racial background. The fear tremors that go through ethnic neighbourhoods may not be felt by those but I'm sure you can understand it.

Wouldnt it be a sad thing for ethnic people to be all on th edefensive and ready to strike because of this murder? I hope you understand the far reaching consequence this has especially since the perpetrators have not been bought to justice yet....

Hey that couldve been me? Comes to mind. I'm sure you dont have to have dark skin to identify with that. On the other hand I do identifywith your grief but i think your situation is regarded as an isolated incident here that wouldnt have affected things on a national level.

There are lots of murders everyday between people of colour but more often they can be put in the same category as isolated incidents.

Stephen Lawrence is a kid that was killed on a street by a gang of white guys in an unprovoked attack because he was black...Not because he supported the wrong team, not because he was selling them drugs at the time and it went wrong. he was randomly killed because he was black, right out of the blue. Now that is going to shake a community to its foundations. I'm really surpirsed that if these guys are really guilty that they havent met their demise yet t the hands of some radical vigilante but if the truth be known, despite the evidence pointing their way because a tv show tells you so. How would you ever really know they were guilty?

Thats the real question i would like an answer to.

Part of the problem is once again the media, power with no responsibility which feeds on the the publics need for headlines. There were more journalists/TV news teams etc in Soham than there were inhabitants, churning out 24 hour updates, bloody vultures! They do it because the general public love it which doesn't say much about us.

If the media held back there wouldn't be as much fear about as there is but that's not going to happen, bad for business, so they will keep on with blood curdling headlines and stories.

Good example (off the point but what the hell) was on the runup to the world cup. Couple of series on cable, Ricky Tomlinson hunting down the 1966 Players shirts, harmless fun and some cockney actor visiting football hooligans round the country and listening to stirring tales of violence and mayhem, not such harmless fun. Likely to encourage the suggestable wannabies that this is a good way of getting on the TV.

Great to see you back Terry!

The great Ray Winstone- what was he thinking of?

Wasn't Ray W. some young actor who was in a Football violence film (not the Hobbitt)

[quote]Did anybody watch the documentary last night? Possibly the greatest miscarriage of justice in British law.[/quote]

A definate miscarriage of justice, but not the greatest. I've seen documentaries on people bing in prison for 30 years for something they didn't do, I've seen stories of wrongful hangings too. I'd say these were bigger miscarriages of justice.

What I find wierd is that about 2 years ago, a group of asians had an arguement with a white 35 year old outside a club in Sheffield. The asian youths beat him to unconciousness, and while he was 'knocked out' 1 asian youth picked up a boulder -meant to keep cars off a piece of land, you know the sort- and smashed the guys skull in. The asians were caught on the clubs cctv laughing and pointing at the guys brains that were oozing out of the skull.

The man was a father of 2.... This story never made the national news regardless of the horrid way in which the victim was killed, or the laughing afterwards. I can't imagine killing someone purposely. I can imagine fighting, and killing someone accidently, by going too far. Thats wrong of course, but I can see how a situation like that can result in a death. The asian must have known that dropping a boulder onto someones skull was going to kill the guy, and what was going through the youths heads when they were laughing afterwards? I've never killed anyone by smashing their brains allover the pavement, but I imagine if I did, I'd either sit in shock at what I'd done, or run away sharpish in a panic. I don't think I could hang around and laugh........thats just ........ not normal.

My point? Well imagine 5 white youths smashing an asians head in and laughing at what they'd done. My guess it would be on every newschannel for years to come....

Things like this just add fuel to the fire of BNP style parties.

Another point is that I remember being seven, sat in assembly with a policeman visiting school. Someone had sprayed 'Paki Bastards' on a local wall and all the kids had a lecture and spent the day cleaning the brickwork.

When I was 16 I was coming home from college and read 'White Bastards' on that same wall, 9 years later. I'm 30 now and 'White Bastards' is still on that same wall. It's not been cleaned, even after 14 years.

Why?

The venerated mr Winstone is a top class actor who should be more recognised for Sexy Beast than Scum (in my own personal opinion of course).....Both great movies but the former is greater than the latter.

Dorrin the media dont cover this kind of news because people enjoy it. it is news whether it is good or bad. You can never really blame the media for being what they are except when they are trying to sway peoples views as to what is the truth and what isn't because some media mogul has certain political views.

As for people loving certain types of news...well thats how the media make their money playing into what people actually want also. if no one gave a hot about celebrity gossip there would be no money in it. Look at Big Brother...I really dont see the point in a social studies experiment watching people as if they were fish in an aquarium but its popular as hell....That tells you something about a lot of people whcih the media know and continues feeding that interest.

Btw thanks randyandy....I've never really been away but I just felt the need to respond to this thread. i dont wish to contribute to the various debacles about producers and what they do because I'm far too liberal and understanding of this industry to partake in such things.

Sam I totally understand where you are coming from. People like that regardless of their ethnicity should get the same done to them but doesnt it feel exactly the same as what i said.

Imagine that was national news, yes it would be fuel for the BNP and to be honest quite right too, because you'll get white people living in fear in their own country and some may feel they want to go out and retaliate in anger too but then i guess that news would be controversial too as it could also spark a race riot. I'm sure the authorities realise what a sensitive balancing act it is when it comes to what is news and what should be "kept a lid on".

There are some truths it seems that people cannot handle.

Exactly right. You see, when a white family see the sort of stuff swept under the carpet, and yet the Stephen Lawrence murder rammed down their thraots constantly then it's not too long before people start asking questions. It makes people angry and victimised. They don't feel fairly treated, and when that happens BNP parties use this anger to their own advantage.

I live in Sheffield yet know more about the Stephen Lawrence murder -in London- than a worse murder on my own doorstep. That can't be right.


As a white person, I feel embarrassed at what whites have put black/asian people through over the last century. I cringe at how some white owned companies pay white workers more money than black workers, or if a white person has a better chance of a job in an interview. I'm ashamed at being white sometimes. Maybe this is because I know everything that whites have done to blacks through the years because I was educated on it.

I even feel uncomfortable talking about what the asians did to a white man, but if white youths had done that to an asian, I'd feel really comfortable calling them 'ignorant, evil, uneducated, fascist, racist bastards!'

More needs to be done to attain true equality, but we can't dismiss certain crimes, while get enraged by others because of the victims race. A murder is a murder, and a murderer is a murderer. It doesn't matter what colour they are!