Bloody Britain? Streets of Fear?

[Sam Slater]

[quote]Are you suggesting these largely council estate dwelling mongs and bad brains are the sons and daughters of the 80's high flyers - or 'Yuppies'?[/quote]

No, they're the sons and daughters of failed 80's high flyers - or 'Yuppies', which I'm sure you already understand.

Making one person extremely rich means making 5 people extremely poor. They talked of a trickle down affect.........but it never came.

[Pervert]

You should know by now that the Officer ignores the idea that faults in today's society were sown decades ago. Didn't Thatch once infamously say there was no such thing as society? (Or was it family?---can't say I listened when the hatchet-faced witch spoke).

[Sam Slater]

Of course, I don't wholeheartedly blame Thatcherism. Diet has a lot to play in behavioural problems involving kids and adolescents these days. I'm just pointing out that the parents of today were brought up and schooled in Thatcher's Britain, and we can all agree that a childs morals usually mirror their parents - generally.

[Pervert]

There are at least half a dozen factors that can be taken into consideration. One thing I'd consider high among them is the hijacking of the word "respect"---it now means wary fear and is related to wannabe gangsters and hard men, when once it was related to courtesy and an understanding of personal areas that one wouldn't trespass upon.

[TheProf]

I always though the youth of today had so much going for them in the evenings,computers,games,and every other bit of wizardry,yet they hang around shops and off licences on bikes straight after school.

Just seem brain dead..

It is also making it bad for business for the shop owners-yet they have cameras fitted outside the shops to record whats going on,and still they stand there.Knowing I was being recorded I'd be long gone.

The time will come,mark my words,where we will have shoot outs with youngsters and the police,and whole towns burn't to the ground by youths marching through streets with flaming torches.

The time is near where every family will be allowed one child ONLY,fully registered,fingerprinted,and tagged for life.

...and we will be supplied with body armour from child attack.

[Officer Dibble]

"No, they're the sons and daughters of failed 80's high flyers - or 'Yuppies', which I'm sure you already understand."

I'm sorry, Sam. I haven?t a clue what you are talking about. You say 'failed high flyers'? But how is it possible to fail and go from bright, go for it, entrepreneur or city trader, to being the criminally inclined, intellectually challenged, underclass in one generation? Surely, if these high flyers were bright to start with they would remain bright enough to provide themselves with a reasonably respectable lifestyle, even if they suffered a reversal of fortune in The City?


"Making one person extremely rich means making 5 people extremely poor."

Does it? How have you arrived at that conclusion, pray tell? Did you study at the Karl Marx School of Economics, perchance?


?They talked of a trickle down affect.........but it never came.?

I don't know about you, Sam, sat there moping and fretting in your studenty bedroom. But it certainly came to my pals and me. I'm sure I've previously related how in the eighties I set up 'Curbside Motors' outside me mum's council gaff, serving tasty motors(Mercs, Porsches, Beemers, etc) to the new entrepreneurs, the new breed of 'can do' positive thinkers who were emerging at that time. These people ?Thatcher?s children? if you will, now had money to spend, and spend it they most certainly did.

Yes, they were exhilarating times to previously skint working folk like us. Up to that point we never dared dream of being able to take part in business (it always seemed like a closed shop in Wilson and Callaghan?s day) or ever having any real dosh.





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[Sam Slater]

You're missing my point. You cannot deny that the parents of today -25-35- were not reared in Thatcher's Britain. Kids mirror their parents, in general. Chav parents will usually breed chavvy kids.

Why are these parents so bad at bringing up the chavs you so despise? What we do now doesn't affect next year that much, but 10 and 20 years from now. Labour even exclaimed this in 1997 if you remember.

I'm all for capitalism and a free(ish) economy (read my thread on the affects a free, unregulated internet on the other thread) so in no way a communist -though my recent Che Guevara biog may change things!...............not- but if you're a 30-35 year old bloke of today, you've spent 2/3rds of your schooling and working life under a Conservative government. If you don't like today's society, surely they must take 2/3rds of the blame?

[one eyed jack]

Given the sort of crimes thes oiks areperpetrating, I doubt not one of them or even their parents had any political beliefs because by doing so I should imagine they would have some discipline in their own lives.

Just a wild guess. i could be wrong but uusally when you speak to these types of people they dont see any difference between Labour and Conservative as they are both one and the same. Or thay vote labour by default because....well its the working class thing to do innit.

Or BNP because getting foreigners out of the country means they can own the petrol stations, newsagents and corner shops that their own lazy arses couldnt really be bothered to run for shit because it means working 30 minutes out of their lives everyday.

OMG! I am cynical arent I?

[Sam Slater]

Lol.........I didn't mean Thatcher's children had to have political policies to become today's bad parents. I'm saying that a people's general attitudes, morals and behaviour are mirrors of the society they are reared.

They were reared, taught and educated in Thatcher's Britain. All their lifeskills were learnt back then, and now it's those people that are letting their kids stay out joyriding and missing school.

The religious fundamentalists of all times, and even the pre-christian Spartans knew that getting a child young was paramount to how they'd turn out as adults.

"Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man." Even neurological experts agree that the plasticity of the brain diminishes greatly between 7 and 10 years old. We can learn as much as we like in our lives but the real important stuff - our personalities, our moral outlook, our core beliefs, who we are and who we are to become is decided between the ages of 2/3 - 7/10.

Learning Shakespeare and long algebraic equations, as a teenager is just bonus material. Who we are was decided long before we even started secondary school.

[Officer Dibble]

"Why are these parents so bad at bringing up the chavs you so despise?"

Because in many instances they are stupid feckless young single parents who have no ambition for their kids or experience of life. Single parent hood used to be frowned upon, now, thanks to middleclass socialists and lefties taking over social services, it is virtually encouraged, with a range of freebies and benefits. Indeed these stupid young girls would be even more stupid not to take the government up on their generous offer of free houses and a weekly handout.

Kids need parents who have a least half a brain, parents who will teach their kids right from wrong. Parents who know where they are going in life and have ambitions to see their kids do better than they have. Kids need fathers to teach them the value of respect and honour, and yes, to lay down the law when necessary. The feral kids who are causing all the current problems have none of this. What's needed is not more police, but a total overhaul of social policy and the removal of those who are standing in the way of it. Why did we behave (comparatively speaking) ourselves back in the 60's and 70's? Why do kids in other rich countries seem to behave themselves?




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