awgazzm wrote:
> oh i do beg your pardon robert the singleton! i was typing in
> a rush out of sheer fury how anybody can defend those who
> are strking! my applogies if my eruditness didnt come up to
> your normal expectations... but they are still greedy
For a start it's ERUDITION not eruditiness!!!
I think if you want to argue about the merits of our children's' educators, the least you can do is to use the English language correctly. Sadly I have to be off now... work calls, but I'll pop back at about 2.00am to see if anyone here has learnt how to spell yet!
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Bob Singleton
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"But how to make Liverpool economically prosperous? If only there was some way for Liverpudlians to profit from going on and on about the past in a whiny voice."
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Officer Dibble
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"I'd like to see Officer Dibble spend just a month as a teacher and then claim the job is easy and overpaid."
If the job isn't easy it's the fault of the NUT who have (so to speak) made a rod for their own backs. I?m left (almost) speechless by their breath taking stupidity in doing away with almost any form of disciple and then complaining that the pupils are thumping them, telling them to fuck off, or running to the Old Bill with spurious accusations of assault.
?Unfortunately, he has neither the brains?
Hmm, don?t know about that, Bob. But I reckon I?m at least as smart as some of the other teacher types who have graced the forum with their musings over the years. However, you may be right about my social skills ? subtly is not my forte?. I?d not waste time pleading with the little fuckers to behave. I just pick on the one who thought he was the hardest and lairiest and then knock him into the middle of next week ? thereby establishing my unquestionable authority over the class and so allowing everyone concerned to get down to the business of teaching and learning without any of the disruption and bullshit that plagues modern class rooms.
?He could make a start on his own education, however, by learning the difference between pursuing and perusing!?
Now, now, Bob. I thought we?d kicked the last overbearing pedant into touch some weeks ago. You know full well I?m aware of the difference (due to the context I used it in). However, I don?t blame you for scoring a few points, it was an open goal after all. It?ll teach me to take more care in my proof reading before hitting the old publish button.
Officer Dibble
If the job isn't easy it's the fault of the NUT who have (so to speak) made a rod for their own backs. I?m left (almost) speechless by their breath taking stupidity in doing away with almost any form of disciple and then complaining that the pupils are thumping them, telling them to fuck off, or running to the Old Bill with spurious accusations of assault.
?Unfortunately, he has neither the brains?
Hmm, don?t know about that, Bob. But I reckon I?m at least as smart as some of the other teacher types who have graced the forum with their musings over the years. However, you may be right about my social skills ? subtly is not my forte?. I?d not waste time pleading with the little fuckers to behave. I just pick on the one who thought he was the hardest and lairiest and then knock him into the middle of next week ? thereby establishing my unquestionable authority over the class and so allowing everyone concerned to get down to the business of teaching and learning without any of the disruption and bullshit that plagues modern class rooms.
?He could make a start on his own education, however, by learning the difference between pursuing and perusing!?
Now, now, Bob. I thought we?d kicked the last overbearing pedant into touch some weeks ago. You know full well I?m aware of the difference (due to the context I used it in). However, I don?t blame you for scoring a few points, it was an open goal after all. It?ll teach me to take more care in my proof reading before hitting the old publish button.
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Sam Slater
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[quote] I?m left (almost) speechless by their breath taking stupidity in doing away with almost any form of disciple and then complaining that the pupils are thumping them, telling them to fuck off, or running to the Old Bill with spurious accusations of assault. [/quote]
Well, I never attacked my teachers, my teachers never attacked me, and my parents didn't have to threaten violence to keep me in line.
If kids are going around thumping teachers, then that's the fault of the parents and how they've been brought up.
[quote]I reckon I?m at least as smart as some of the other teacher types who have graced the forum with their musings over the years.[/quote]
[quote]Now, now, Bob. I thought we?d kicked the last overbearing pedant into touch some weeks ago.[/quote]
Ha!
Well, I never attacked my teachers, my teachers never attacked me, and my parents didn't have to threaten violence to keep me in line.
If kids are going around thumping teachers, then that's the fault of the parents and how they've been brought up.
[quote]I reckon I?m at least as smart as some of the other teacher types who have graced the forum with their musings over the years.[/quote]
[quote]Now, now, Bob. I thought we?d kicked the last overbearing pedant into touch some weeks ago.[/quote]
Ha!
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Officer Dibble
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"If kids are going around thumping teachers, then that's the fault of the parents and how they've been brought up."
Parents are now in the same boat as teachers - they can't do jack if their progeny play up. Kids today can do whatever they want, when they want, and no one can touch 'em. Little wonder then that, outside of nice leafy middleclass enclaves, they are running riot.
Officer Dibble
Parents are now in the same boat as teachers - they can't do jack if their progeny play up. Kids today can do whatever they want, when they want, and no one can touch 'em. Little wonder then that, outside of nice leafy middleclass enclaves, they are running riot.
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[quote]Parents are now in the same boat as teachers - they can't do jack if their progeny play up. Kids today can do whatever they want, when they want, and no one can touch 'em. Little wonder then that, outside of nice leafy middleclass enclaves, they are running riot.[/quote]
The kids were running riot well before new laws came into being about hitting your kids. You know this as well as I.
My late grandfather was a minesweeper after the war. Clearing up Italian beaches so the locals could sunbathe without getting blown to shreds. He left the navy after a long, distinguished career in 71 and upon making his way towards the train station, in London, a 17 year old skinhead asked him for a light. As he fumbled in his pocket for the lighter the youth headbutted him right in the face and broke his nose, before running off down the underground.
My point? Stop with this crazed obsession that society's going down the swanny. EVERY generation, upon reaching their 40's has expressed similar views/fears since time immortal. What it really means is that you're just getting old Dibbs....sorry.
The kids were running riot well before new laws came into being about hitting your kids. You know this as well as I.
My late grandfather was a minesweeper after the war. Clearing up Italian beaches so the locals could sunbathe without getting blown to shreds. He left the navy after a long, distinguished career in 71 and upon making his way towards the train station, in London, a 17 year old skinhead asked him for a light. As he fumbled in his pocket for the lighter the youth headbutted him right in the face and broke his nose, before running off down the underground.
My point? Stop with this crazed obsession that society's going down the swanny. EVERY generation, upon reaching their 40's has expressed similar views/fears since time immortal. What it really means is that you're just getting old Dibbs....sorry.
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bristolian
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Chatterji is right. You can argue until you are blue in the face as to who is to blame for the perceived problems in schools- NUT policy, past governments, parents, a degeneration in society generally. Either way, the common misperception is "they go home at 3...6 weeks holiday in the summer...don't know they're born". As has been said, a huge amount of time is given up by teachers who give way beyond what is expected- unlike France and Germany (which has half-day schooling, incidentally...) teachers do take pastoral care seriously in this country and invest a huge amount of time in drama productions, weekend trips away, foreign trips, sports fixtures, I could go on.
I too have friends who earn ?80k+ as dentists, accountants, city lawyers, civil servants (as have many), and, like them, went to university, got a good degree and am paid nothing like them, nor do I expect to. I also got my first job in a private school, before moving to the state sector. I don't regret it for a minute, it's challenging every day, and many kids are difficult but, in my school at least, the majority aren't. For the record, I get to school at 7.45 and leave about 5, normally doing a couple hours on top of that in the evening, and 4+ hours work on a Sunday, so about 60 hours per week. My colleagues work incredibly hard and the kids appreciate what they do.
We had a vote on strike action and many, like myself, voted no. It would have been a problem with too many kid unsupervised and so the Head made the decision to close the school. It just felt wrong to vote to strike to me, but that's a personal decision.
The sad thing is the knee-jerk, Daily Rant-type reaction. For some reason, I guess because everyone has experience of a school (they went to one!), they have a view of teachers, but I suspect that their view on this strike maybe reflects something of their own experiences.
Whoever made the point about a teacher having poor A Level results is barking up the wrong tree. It is true that recruitment is ever harder and many applicants for jobs I have interviewed have had poor academic records. All the more reason to need to recruit quality new teachers intot he profession I would have thought?
Teachers do a good job under difficult circumstances often, let's not forget that.
I too have friends who earn ?80k+ as dentists, accountants, city lawyers, civil servants (as have many), and, like them, went to university, got a good degree and am paid nothing like them, nor do I expect to. I also got my first job in a private school, before moving to the state sector. I don't regret it for a minute, it's challenging every day, and many kids are difficult but, in my school at least, the majority aren't. For the record, I get to school at 7.45 and leave about 5, normally doing a couple hours on top of that in the evening, and 4+ hours work on a Sunday, so about 60 hours per week. My colleagues work incredibly hard and the kids appreciate what they do.
We had a vote on strike action and many, like myself, voted no. It would have been a problem with too many kid unsupervised and so the Head made the decision to close the school. It just felt wrong to vote to strike to me, but that's a personal decision.
The sad thing is the knee-jerk, Daily Rant-type reaction. For some reason, I guess because everyone has experience of a school (they went to one!), they have a view of teachers, but I suspect that their view on this strike maybe reflects something of their own experiences.
Whoever made the point about a teacher having poor A Level results is barking up the wrong tree. It is true that recruitment is ever harder and many applicants for jobs I have interviewed have had poor academic records. All the more reason to need to recruit quality new teachers intot he profession I would have thought?
Teachers do a good job under difficult circumstances often, let's not forget that.
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They are Communist, Dibble.
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Sam Slater wrote:
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Society IS going down the swanny though, Sam. Even politicians acknowledge this - though of course they all blame each other for it and none of them has any real answer to it, beyond bluster about "something must be done" and "restoring family values".
And I think that in the statement you made above, you're also missing an important point, namely that with age come both wisdom and experience.
When you hit 40, you're in a position to make comparisons between what things are like now and what they were like 20 or 30 years ago because you can actually remember it with a fair degree of clarity.
And some of the things that the current generation of "yoof" find acceptable and "normal" would have been inconceivable to us 40-somethings as youngsters back in the '70s and '80s, some of our values in turn had our parents up in arms, and our grandparents disapproved vehemently about some of the values that our parents held.
I live abroad (Germany), and perhaps because I'm largely (thankfully!) away from the UK, I notice how the UK is becoming more and more of a shithole each time I pop back for a visit. Maybe it's just me, but every time I go down Sheffield City centre, the chav population milling around in big groups in places like Fargate and the bottom of The Moor seems to have grown exponentially since my last visit, and of an evening an air of menace pervades the place. In a boozer for example I'm always very careful to avoid eye contact with any bloke who's a bit leery-looking, lest I get a big right hand in my face for "looking at him in a funny way" (and believe me I've had a couple of close calls). And I'm very wary of where I walk - and the UK is the ONLY place in Europe where I feel that sense of unease.
That never used to be the case - 20 years ago I never used to feel uncomfortable around Sheffield at night, and I never had any sort of bother. Although I guess if I was there permanently now, I wouldn't notice it as much as I'd be used to an more "immune" to it.
Yes, every generation has had it's problems and maybe there never was a "golden age" - but when you hear older folk talking about the days when they could leave their back doors open or even leave the house unlocked when they went out to do the weekly shop, when my mum talks about never feeling threatened walking through Birmingham & Wolverhampton and Dudley town centres on her own at night when she was a young 'un back in the 1950s, it's obvious there's a problem.
- Eric
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Society IS going down the swanny though, Sam. Even politicians acknowledge this - though of course they all blame each other for it and none of them has any real answer to it, beyond bluster about "something must be done" and "restoring family values".
And I think that in the statement you made above, you're also missing an important point, namely that with age come both wisdom and experience.
When you hit 40, you're in a position to make comparisons between what things are like now and what they were like 20 or 30 years ago because you can actually remember it with a fair degree of clarity.
And some of the things that the current generation of "yoof" find acceptable and "normal" would have been inconceivable to us 40-somethings as youngsters back in the '70s and '80s, some of our values in turn had our parents up in arms, and our grandparents disapproved vehemently about some of the values that our parents held.
I live abroad (Germany), and perhaps because I'm largely (thankfully!) away from the UK, I notice how the UK is becoming more and more of a shithole each time I pop back for a visit. Maybe it's just me, but every time I go down Sheffield City centre, the chav population milling around in big groups in places like Fargate and the bottom of The Moor seems to have grown exponentially since my last visit, and of an evening an air of menace pervades the place. In a boozer for example I'm always very careful to avoid eye contact with any bloke who's a bit leery-looking, lest I get a big right hand in my face for "looking at him in a funny way" (and believe me I've had a couple of close calls). And I'm very wary of where I walk - and the UK is the ONLY place in Europe where I feel that sense of unease.
That never used to be the case - 20 years ago I never used to feel uncomfortable around Sheffield at night, and I never had any sort of bother. Although I guess if I was there permanently now, I wouldn't notice it as much as I'd be used to an more "immune" to it.
Yes, every generation has had it's problems and maybe there never was a "golden age" - but when you hear older folk talking about the days when they could leave their back doors open or even leave the house unlocked when they went out to do the weekly shop, when my mum talks about never feeling threatened walking through Birmingham & Wolverhampton and Dudley town centres on her own at night when she was a young 'un back in the 1950s, it's obvious there's a problem.
- Eric