So what about these NUT fuckers going on strike, eh? Not only do they have about three months holiday a year and easy hours, they have gold plated pensions and a wage that the least well paid British folk could only dream of. But now the ungrateful fuckers want more! Can't they see the irony? These are the pretentious twats who are first to denounce the supposed greed of aspirational working folk who, not unreasonably, want a nice gaff, a nice big plasma telly and a new 3 Series Beemer. I can't get my breath! I trust you'll join me in sending them a resounding - T'fuck wiv' ya'!
Also, I've just been pursuing another forum and I saw these comments from a disillusioned teacher. It sums up perfectly why today's education system is fucked up and why society at large is going to the dogs.
"My attempt to get into teaching lasted two years before I got sick of the abuse and lack of discipline from the pupils. The NUT were in the forefront of the movement that led to the current situation in schools. Not only did they support the abolition of Grammar Schools, they demanded it as a condition of their continued support for Labour, with the result that the brightest children from poor backgrounds no longer get the education they deserve. They were heavily involved the "The Society of Teachers Opposed to Physical Punishment" (STOPP) that led to the ban on the cane and the collapse of discipline in schools. During the '60s and '70s they were strongly against ANY form of teacher assessment. During the same time they were committed to the introduction of "modern," "progressive" teaching techniques. Both of which accelerated the decline in standards that led to the introduction of the National Curriculum and OFTURD"
Officer Dibble
NUT - T'fuck Wiv' 'Em!
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bristolian
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dear O.D/ Daily Mail
I am currently very much enjoying my day of 'working at home', with my school closed because of industrial action.
There is no point in having a debate on this here, obviously.
You seem to have the complexities of the debate all sorted out, I see.
From one ungrateful fucker,
pretentious twat,
who has been teaching for 15 years (not 2, as above),
I am currently very much enjoying my day of 'working at home', with my school closed because of industrial action.
There is no point in having a debate on this here, obviously.
You seem to have the complexities of the debate all sorted out, I see.
From one ungrateful fucker,
pretentious twat,
who has been teaching for 15 years (not 2, as above),
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Officer Dibble
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"You seem to have the complexities of the debate all sorted out, I see.
From one ungrateful fucker, pretentious twat, who has been teaching for 15 years (not 2, as above),"
No. Actually I was just vigorously stirring the pot. I'd welcome your take on the issue, and on the education system in general.
Regarding the 2 year teacher. He may have only been at it two years, but the issues he alludes to (re: grammar schools and discipline) have been ongoing since the 60's when I was a nipper at school.
Officer Dibble
From one ungrateful fucker, pretentious twat, who has been teaching for 15 years (not 2, as above),"
No. Actually I was just vigorously stirring the pot. I'd welcome your take on the issue, and on the education system in general.
Regarding the 2 year teacher. He may have only been at it two years, but the issues he alludes to (re: grammar schools and discipline) have been ongoing since the 60's when I was a nipper at school.
Officer Dibble
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"in fact DIBBLE FOR PM"
I accept the nomination!
Officer Dibble
I accept the nomination!
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Bob Singleton
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I'd like to see Officer Dibble spend just a month as a teacher and then claim the job is easy and overpaid. Unfortunately, he has neither the brains nor the social skills required of such a job, so we'll never know. He could make a start on his own education, however, by learning the difference between pursuing and perusing!
"But how to make Liverpool economically prosperous? If only there was some way for Liverpudlians to profit from going on and on about the past in a whiny voice."
- Stewart Lee
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awgazzm wrote:
> aw come on they do have a very very good deal as was
> qouted the hols the pay and tmost of the work is a
> corriculum based thing dunno what they have to moan about
It's very difficult to take seriously anyone whose spelling and grammar is so poor... especially regarding the subject of education!
The reason why you don't know what they have to complain about is because you are ill educated and ignorant, so therefore cannot imagine the work necessary to do the job.
Learn how to use English properly and I might deign to debate with you.
> aw come on they do have a very very good deal as was
> qouted the hols the pay and tmost of the work is a
> corriculum based thing dunno what they have to moan about
It's very difficult to take seriously anyone whose spelling and grammar is so poor... especially regarding the subject of education!
The reason why you don't know what they have to complain about is because you are ill educated and ignorant, so therefore cannot imagine the work necessary to do the job.
Learn how to use English properly and I might deign to debate with you.
"But how to make Liverpool economically prosperous? If only there was some way for Liverpudlians to profit from going on and on about the past in a whiny voice."
- Stewart Lee
- Stewart Lee
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Dibbs, I do so like it when you get a bee up your arse, although I do fear for your starfish.
I have friends who are teachers. They all have First Class degrees from leading universities. They could all have become lawyers or accountants and earnt squillions. They didn't. The salaries they earn are a third of what they could command in other professions with their qualifications.
In subjects like English and History the marking workload means they end up marking and monitoring every day of the week far beyond working hours. Then you have to factor in sporting fixtures, drama productions etc. My friends used to work 10-11 hours days, during the week, and 2-3 on both Saturday and Sunday. In the holidays, lesson plans, preparation and reading, eat into the one true perk of being a teacher. Of course the holidays are a huge draw, but three months off is bollocks and how else would you attract well-qualified graduates, on comparitively low levels of pay? I mean a fucking train driver owns ?40k in this country/
The thing is, all of my teaching friends (four of them) ulitmately left the state sector for private schools due to disruptive kids making it impossible to teach. One of them has taught for 15 years in the state sector purely because he wanted to help give the bright kids more of a chance. No longer.
The exodus from the state sector has meant that the academic calibre of many state-sector teachers can be worryingly low as the academic 'cream' seeks easier working conditions. My neice was taught by an English teacher whom we discovered had a 'C' and two 'Ds' at 'A' Level. On one of my neice's essays this woman wrote:
'...you could of done this different.'
Still, there are many highly intelligent, able teachers in the state sector and they are not being supported. Instead they're assailed on all sides by the media, government, parents and kids. A society that truly recognises that education is the ONLY way to make life more fair, would invest in the training and standards of its teachers properly and legislate to support them, to ensure that kids have an environment that they can learn in. We don't value teachers. We don't train them. They're not seen as educational experts unlike in Finland or Germany. Consequently the popular perception is like the 'Armstrong & Miller' sketch: if you can't do anything else, teach.
It's not teachers who have ruined schools and education, its successive governments and a generation of 'parents' who don't know the meaning of the word.
I have friends who are teachers. They all have First Class degrees from leading universities. They could all have become lawyers or accountants and earnt squillions. They didn't. The salaries they earn are a third of what they could command in other professions with their qualifications.
In subjects like English and History the marking workload means they end up marking and monitoring every day of the week far beyond working hours. Then you have to factor in sporting fixtures, drama productions etc. My friends used to work 10-11 hours days, during the week, and 2-3 on both Saturday and Sunday. In the holidays, lesson plans, preparation and reading, eat into the one true perk of being a teacher. Of course the holidays are a huge draw, but three months off is bollocks and how else would you attract well-qualified graduates, on comparitively low levels of pay? I mean a fucking train driver owns ?40k in this country/
The thing is, all of my teaching friends (four of them) ulitmately left the state sector for private schools due to disruptive kids making it impossible to teach. One of them has taught for 15 years in the state sector purely because he wanted to help give the bright kids more of a chance. No longer.
The exodus from the state sector has meant that the academic calibre of many state-sector teachers can be worryingly low as the academic 'cream' seeks easier working conditions. My neice was taught by an English teacher whom we discovered had a 'C' and two 'Ds' at 'A' Level. On one of my neice's essays this woman wrote:
'...you could of done this different.'
Still, there are many highly intelligent, able teachers in the state sector and they are not being supported. Instead they're assailed on all sides by the media, government, parents and kids. A society that truly recognises that education is the ONLY way to make life more fair, would invest in the training and standards of its teachers properly and legislate to support them, to ensure that kids have an environment that they can learn in. We don't value teachers. We don't train them. They're not seen as educational experts unlike in Finland or Germany. Consequently the popular perception is like the 'Armstrong & Miller' sketch: if you can't do anything else, teach.
It's not teachers who have ruined schools and education, its successive governments and a generation of 'parents' who don't know the meaning of the word.