Does America REALLY not know where Bin Laden is?

[Flat_Eric]

Why would they want / need to hold his family, Jack (see my Yorkshire Ripper comparison above)?

And do you know how many bearded blokes with sandals there are in the mountains of Afghanistan / Pakistan?

Actually, there's a bloke who I've seen flogging towels on Bakewell market who is (and I kid you not) an absolute RINGER for Bin Laden.

So much so that I had to do a double take when I saw him. Same face (the eyes, the nose), same beard, same Islamic clobber - right down to the headgear. The only thing missing was the AK-47 propped up behind him (he probably has it wrapped in a towel on market days).

Maybe the CIA could do worse than start combing the Derbyshire Peak District?

- Eric

[one eyed jack]

Yes but why get his family out of the country as well? I know they are a seriously rich family and that public response to the atrocities might have jeopardised their lives also but I find it strange why they were whisked away at atime the world was preparing for war in response.

I bet Al Quaida are thinking what a soft bunch of pussies the americans are paying respect to the Bin Laden family when it was a member of that family behind the attack on the WTC

I doubt the muslims would have afforded a western family the same thing.

Was it really about not stooping to their level on this? I dont think so is what i am saying.

Keeping his family in the US may have deterred Bin Laden from future attacks and maybe drawn him out. Now the US has no leverage whatsoever.

If this was a chess move then it was a bad move

[Flat_Eric]

Jack, I think you've been reading too many conspiracy sites, really I do.

They're full of disinformation, misinformation, untruths, half-truths, downright lies and - well - total bollocks, really.

Of course that's not to say that the "official version" is complete either, or that unanswered quastions don't remain.

But the caveat "don't believe everything you read" has to apply to the 'alternative' versions just as much as it does to the 'official' account.

Once again, most of Bin Laden's family disowned him years ago, so really it's all a bit of a red herring isn't it? They'd hardly be much good as "leverage" when you think about it.

Anyway, here's a debunking of the "Bin Laden flights" myth.



I'll give you another prime example: 9/11 inside-jobbers like to claim that Bin Laden's brother (one of them - I think he actually has dozens of siblings and half-siblings) "had breakfast with George Bush Sr. on the morning of 9/11".

When I first read about this I found it intriguing, but when I delved further into it, it turned out that Bush Sr. had merely put in a brief appearance early that morning at a large (i.e. attended by *hundreds* of people) meeting of some investment group that the Bin Laden brother also happened to be at, and that there was no evidence that the two men had even so much as shaken hands and exchanged pleasantries.

But of course the 9/11 "truther" community saw an opportunity to make hay, so Chinese whispers started, and all of a sudden "two blokes in the same building" became two blokes sitting down for a cosy breakfast together to discuss who knows what.

By all means believe what you want to believe - but don't make the mistake of thinking that the conspiracy theories are all they're cracked up to be either. Most of them collapse like a house of cards when you really look closely at them.

- Eric

[one eyed jack]

I will admit I am no closer to the truth on this than anybody else is. I was merely conveying my thoughts is all.

Whatever the facts, fictions or conspiracies (if there is one) I still cannot believe how this slipped under the radar of the CIA who must have had some inkling of what was going to happen and where and in the aftermath cannot find the man who instigated it.

Bin Laden has been on the FBI most wanted list as far back as the early 90's anyway.

[Arginald Valleywater]

Personally I think he is dead and his name is used by current Al Qaeda groups to get instant airplay.

American foreign policy needs enemies. World Peace is bad for many of Americas biggest companies such as Rockwell, Westinghouse etc who make weapons and materiel. Peace would do even more damage to their economy and the effects would be felt all over the planet a la their fuck up of the banks...(Trademark owned by McBroon Excuses Ltd).

Just imagine the domestic situation if most of the US Army was laid off, living on the dole in the USA. Thousands of disgruntled, highly trained killers getting angry and bored........I predict a riot.....much better to move them overseas to fight non-nuclear armed countries who can't hurt the US mainland.

[Lizard]

"Actually, there's a bloke who I've seen flogging towels on Bakewell market who is (and I kid you not) an absolute RINGER for Bin Laden."

Thats absolutely true FE, I know exactly the guy you mean, he is there every Monday...lol, I have even said the same thing myself.

[Flat_Eric]

Lizard wrote:

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I like Bakewell, Lizard, and try to get down there for a couple of hours whenever I'm back in the UK (it's not too far from the parental pile). But isn't it a bastard trying to park there on a Monday?!

Osama's towels actually look pretty good, and the Mrs even tried haggling with him on one occasion (didn't end up buying though - given that they're most likely knock-offs that'll lose their colour in the first wash).

- Eric

[Lizard]

Yes Bakewell is a nice town, out of season, even better when the gooks on the tour buses are not around buying cheap sports and outdoor wear. Parking is grim on market day, We have a permit, as we have a gaff very near...but your post made me laugh, as I know exactly the guy you mean, however he seems a really happy guy, I think he is a sikh, he always seems to be doing good trade. The xmas markets in Bakewell always make us laugh, they are exactly the same as the ordinary Monday one's but some of the traders wear santa hats...that's the only difference...Derbyshire rocks actually, some fantastic places and scenery.

[max_tranmere]

Eric, what happened was as follows: There is a large organisation called The Carlisle Group which Bush Snr is a director of, and so is our former PM John Major. Bush Snr DID meet Osama's brother the day after 9/11 in a hotel in Washington in order to raise money for the Carlisle Group. The organisation raises money, buys weaponry, and sells it to Governments. Bush Snr and John Major have earned phenominal money by being senior fignures within the organisation.

George Bush Snr got John Major the job there because of a favour Major did him whilst he was President and Major was our PM. It involved trying to prove a claim going round in the American press that Bill Clinton, who was standing for election and was Bush Snr's opponent, applied for British citizenship in the 1960's, while at Oxford University, in order to dodge the draft for Vietnam. Major instructed some civil servants in London to look into this for him, which is illegal as it involves politicising the civil service but Major did it anyway.

It turned out Clinton HAD applied for British residency semmingly to avoid the draft for Vietnam back in the USA, and Bush Snr used that against Clinton in that election campaign. It didn't work though as Clinton still beat him. It was always said Bush Snr never forgot the favour - hence the hugely well paid position for John Major on the board of the Carlisle Group. It was always said Bill Clinton never forgave John Major for this.

[Flat_Eric]

Max, I don't dispute any of that (except for the bit about Bush Sr. actually meeting Bin Laden's brother - see my post higher up in thethread).

But let's say for the sake of argument that the two DID in fact meet.

In which case - so what? What does it prove? Especially in view of the fact that the rest of the Bin Laden family disowned Osama years ago.

It's like I also said higher up: are the Yorkshire Ripper's family all a bunch of murderous psychos as well, just because Peter Sutcliffe is?

Just one of the many red herrings that avowed conspiracy theroists like to bring up all the time.

- Eric