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To be quite frank... no... It's at the lower end of the risk scale, but as has been pointed out, ulcers, bleeding gums, small lacerations of the mouth make it more risky for the girl giving oral sex.

The male, I understand is at lesser risk for, amongst other reasons, the sheer fact that there is a lower likelihood of damage to the penis in the form of cuts, broken skin etc - it's a fairly tough old tool when compared to the delicate tissues of the mouth!

It's amazing what you learn and look into whist you face the agonising wait after having received the injections and had the tests performed...! It's a great shame that the information isn't easily readily available - perhaps BGAFD could provide a resource on sexual heath for performers?

john im not usaully put off but youre doing a good job.

lifes a risk anyway ive already got asthma,epilepsey,blood disorder surely my life cant get no worse?

Thanks to all for raising and discussing a very important issue both for the girls and the guys that go to these events. I certainly support the suggestion that the BGAFD could provide, at least, links to non-judgmental, unbiased health info (if it exists!) given the BGAFD does have postings from girls publicising these events.
I would agree with the overall summary stated earlier. THe risk is greatest to the girls taking part. There are inoculations against various types of hepatitis which health workers often have on a regular basis. However there is still a risk to the guys having oral sex. Typically, you would be very unlucky as a bloke to get an STD from oral sex. However, this risk, although relatively low, is obviously going to be greatly increased in an environment where girls are having very large numbers of partners in very short periods of time.
I suspect there is a lot of fatalism in the industry of the sort we see in many aspects of life i.e. I smoke 40 a day and if I get cancer, I get cancer; if I have a pint over the limit and I get stopped - I get stopped etc. etc.
The main thing is to have available clear,unbiased information and then everyone can make their own informed decision.
The huge increase in STDs in this country suggests either this information is not available/being read or that people have the "it will never happen to me" attitude.

Ian wrote:

some well considered arguments, however

>
> Hi Crimpo,
>
> I've read your post and and you make some good points, I
> don't want to enter into an argument over this as life is too
> short.
>
> May I just comment on a couple of issue's, the first being
> the numbers and the fact you think I have over-exaggerated, I
> agree,I may have, but at the same time I am talking from
> experience of events I've been to. and postings I have
> somehow recieved from yahoo groups, you only have to see how
> many of these events a girl will do in one week to realise
> these numbers I suggest may not be as over exaggerated as you
> think.

'somehow received from Yahoo Groups'??? Now that's just being disingenuous! Be honest with yourself (and us), you signed up to these because you like bukkake (pictures
, if nothing else). You also say you've attended some of these, so don't try to kid on you've accidentally got mail you didn't request.


>
> The second point I would like to comment on is, cum in the
> eyes, yes again your right, a lot of the cum does not go in
> the eyes, but I have seen the girls completely facially
> covered, and I mean seriously covered with cum, their eyes
> are red raw from the amount of cum that has entered into the
> eye cavity, you only have to look at the photographs that are
> posted after the events, it's there as proof, yes, alot of
> the girls involved in the scene are amateurs, but more
> worrying is that I've seen a large increase of well known
> female adult performers now being involved.
>

would not professionals, because of their regime of regular testing, have given even more thought to the possible risks and consequences than the 'girl next door' types? I can't quite se the point you are making. If it's the transmission risk, then is it not equally possible that 'amateur' girls involved in bukkake are swingers with multiple sex partners also?

> One point I didn't raise in my original post was the fact
> that even if these guys are not cumming over the girls faces
> and eyes in particular, they have still recieved a BJ, now
> you know you only have to have a small cut or sore within the
> mouth cavity and you have another problem, fluid, pre-cum,
> whatever you choose to call it is still released prior to
> ejaculation, he lies another problem.

A cut is a cut, and can get infected by all manner of nasties, whether the girl be blowing one guy or 100, but you're right, anyone with cuts and sores should excuse themselves from the scene


> At the end of the day, I agree, I may have over exaggerated
> the numbers, Yes, they are all old enough to make there own
> informed decisions but the original point still remains, it
> only takes 1 girl to catch an STD, which she may be totally
> unaware off until she has either her monthly, or quarterly
> checkup, in the meantime she has been working with other
> professional models on films who may be unaware of her other
> activities, I don't have state how dangerous this could be.
>
> I must again state that I love the bukkake scene but all I'm
> saying is these girls must, if not for themselves think of
> there fellow performers, the HIV and STD certificates these
> girls have are not worth the paper they are written on.

well logically, that's true of all HIV and STD testing, in fact most testing in any field. Just 'cos you didn't need glasses at
16 doesn't mean your eyes aren't shit now (especially if you've been wanking a lot - LOL!)

Are you advocating 'all condom' activity only, compulsory 90 day 'quarantine' periods between sexual activity or what? I applaud, and support, your concern for the health and wellbeing of all participants, but too much thinking on these lines leads to 'nanny-statism'. Responsible adults must be allowed to be just that.

>if I have a pint over the limit and I get stopped - I get >stopped etc. etc.

But why considerably increase the risk to yourself and IMHO other road users?

Surely if you did get stopped (or crash, or run someone down) then you would consider yourself to be the biggest prick on earth. Not only that but you would probably get banned, maybe even go to jail.

If you know you are going to drink then why not just enjoy it properly and have more and *not* drive?

Have a happy and safe New Year all!

P.S. And as an ex-smoker I can also say that you stink too!

steve56 wrote:
>
> oral sex is quite safe though isnt it?

as long as you are not driving at the time

Ben
Youre preaching to the converted. I personally do not hold the views on smoking, drink-driving mentioned in my email. I don't smoke nor drink-drive. I was just trying to illustrate that there are a lot of people who do have those views and that kind of attitude can obviously put people at risk on the bukkake scene.
Happy New Year to you!
David

John>

It's a fact that all STD's are nearly always transmited thru the excahnging of bodily fluids. So if we take oral sex as an example (since that is the raison'detre of Bukkakes) the chance of being infected is considerably high, right ?

One of my ex-girlfriend's friends used to work as a prostitute during her student-loan days. She caught something from giving "oral without" to her punters and was forced to give up whoring as she was scared she might end up getting AIDS. Doing the more riskier sex acts meant more money for her, but she didn't see any point if it cost her her health !

So for a Bukkake party-girl having a medical card seems to be as pointless as having a swimming certificate IMO.

For those of you who did not receive the recent newsletter from BGAFD, it contained information relating to an NHS clinic in West London that provides FREE, yes FREE, HIV and full STI screenings for anyone working in the sex industry, and also has sexual health information for anyone that specifically works in the adult film business. As well as a one day testing service the clinic will also provide you with a FREE, again FREE certificate from your test, that is authentic and worth the paper it is written on.

As the scheme that they run has been researched in some depth they offer not only a completely FREE and non judgemental service, but they are actually really interested to hear about your concerns and how better to deal with performers needs.

If you don't already have the details please feel free to email myself direct and I will gladly supply them