I am writing this post after some serious thought on the subject of Bukkakes. I?m writing this with my ?sensible, responsible hat on? , I personally love the bukkake scene but at the same time realise there are serious health issues associated with this practise.
Until a few weeks ago I was not aware of just how dangerous this practise is, it was pointed out to me that if semen is to enter the eye cavity and pass across the membrane this can be one of the easiest ways to contract an STD, a few of you may remember that sometime ago they were trying to ban facial cum shots in the US because of the dangers associated with this practise.
As most of you will know, bukkake?s are extremely popular at the moment, a lot of amateur girls are involved in this scene, but what I find more distressing is that a lot of professional girls within the industry are also heavily involved within this scene, I?m not going to name names but I want to put a thought across.
Take for an example a girl who say does 2 of these events a week, sometimes I understand there is an afternoon meeting as well as an evening meeting, say for example there are 18 participants at each meeting, that?s 36 guys depositing there cum over these ladies faces, 2 events a week makes 72 guys cumming over there faces, the guys that attend are of all ages, the girls have absolutely no idea of there sexual history and they just sit there sucking these guys cocks and then letting them wank off all over there faces, the photographic evidence on the bukkake sites I?ve seen is proof enough for me.
On average most girls within the adult industry are tested for HIV every 3 months, some girls are tested monthly and get screened against all STD?s, which ever the case the fact remains that within the time frame of 1 month, a girl has given in the region of 288 BJ?s, imagine if a girl is only tested every 3 months and then just for HIV, that?s 864 loads of cum. It obviously only takes one guy to have an STD to cause a major problem, this girl could have been filming a lot within the month prior to being tested so who know what?s she could pass on before being aware of it herself, I think for the safety of professional performers producers should seriously consider who they use in there future productions.
I do fear that before long someone is going to contract a serious STD and there is going to be a major problem within the industry, don?t forget there has been a large increase in reported cases of HIV within the heterosexual community over the last year, I do think complacency is beginning to set in.
The law of averages says it?s going to happen, I really don?t want to post again and say I told you so.
GIRLS, I KNOW YOUR OLD ENOUGH TO MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS, BUT HOW ABOUT SHOWING SOME RESPECT TO YOUR FELLOW PERFORMERS.
I realise this post is going to create a lot of controversy but it?s an issue I feel strongly about and had to make my feeling public in the right place.
Bukkake's & the health issue's
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steve56
Re: Bukkake's & the health issue's
ian after reading all that its got me thinking but this kim that has regular bukkake events once told me it dosent do you any good i know i do it
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Cornish Chris
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Ian I must admit the very same thoughts have passed through my mind on several occasions, although I was never able to put them forward as reasoned and eliquently as yourself.
I think it is generally known that in the USA performers who either do bukake or gangbangs with non industry people usually struggle for future bookings as there is a certain risk involved.
I remain semi-concerned about these events, but am sure that everything physically possible is done to minimise any possible dangers.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Cheeers Cornish Chris.
I think it is generally known that in the USA performers who either do bukake or gangbangs with non industry people usually struggle for future bookings as there is a certain risk involved.
I remain semi-concerned about these events, but am sure that everything physically possible is done to minimise any possible dangers.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Cheeers Cornish Chris.
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Crimpo
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It is a serious issue - and CC and I have been round the houses discussing this on more than one occassion. (transcripts are available at www.two-old-tossers-bore-your-ass-off.com). The issue of cum in the eyes is a relevant one - basically it isn't a good idea for many reasons. The amateurs involved are all big boys and girls and have generally considered what they are doing. As for the cross-over with the porn scene that raises issues which you have covered very well (if with a mite over-exaggeration on the numbers concerned). However, the same point could be made of those girls (and guys) doing any extra-curricular activities . Some points to be made tho -
1) Facials were not banned - cum in the eyes is a risk but research shows it is not in the same order as unprotected anal sex (for example). However, it is still a risk.
2) Bukkakes do not involve everyone opening a girl's eye and cumming into the membrane (I am relieved to say) - most of the cum never goes near the eyes.
3) Anyone deliberately shooting into a girl's eyes has a problem - it doesn't take a genius to know it must cause discomfort whatever the deeper issues.
For what its worth I reckon that there are risks - just as there are risks in all aspects of porn and in all aspects of life. Crossing the road in London is terribly unsafe if you look into the stats. People have to be able to act responsibly and then make their own decisions in life. Some girls won't do it - I respect their wishes (whatever their reasons), some girls will - and I respect their wishes too (as well as being pathetically grateful)
However, I would be interested to hear the comments of those organising and/or participating in the events on this - I'm sure they have already addressed the issues in their own personal cases
1) Facials were not banned - cum in the eyes is a risk but research shows it is not in the same order as unprotected anal sex (for example). However, it is still a risk.
2) Bukkakes do not involve everyone opening a girl's eye and cumming into the membrane (I am relieved to say) - most of the cum never goes near the eyes.
3) Anyone deliberately shooting into a girl's eyes has a problem - it doesn't take a genius to know it must cause discomfort whatever the deeper issues.
For what its worth I reckon that there are risks - just as there are risks in all aspects of porn and in all aspects of life. Crossing the road in London is terribly unsafe if you look into the stats. People have to be able to act responsibly and then make their own decisions in life. Some girls won't do it - I respect their wishes (whatever their reasons), some girls will - and I respect their wishes too (as well as being pathetically grateful)
However, I would be interested to hear the comments of those organising and/or participating in the events on this - I'm sure they have already addressed the issues in their own personal cases
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Ian
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Hi Crimpo,
I've read your post and and you make some good points, I don't want to enter into an argument over this as life is too short.
May I just comment on a couple of issue's, the first being the numbers and the fact you think I have over-exaggerated, I agree,I may have, but at the same time I am talking from experience of events I've been to. and postings I have somehow recieved from yahoo groups, you only have to see how many of these events a girl will do in one week to realise these numbers I suggest may not be as over exaggerated as you think.
The second point I would like to comment on is, cum in the eyes, yes again your right, a lot of the cum does not go in the eyes, but I have seen the girls completely facially covered, and I mean seriously covered with cum, their eyes are red raw from the amount of cum that has entered into the eye cavity, you only have to look at the photographs that are posted after the events, it's there as proof, yes, alot of the girls involved in the scene are amateurs, but more worrying is that I've seen a large increase of well known female adult performers now being involved.
One point I didn't raise in my original post was the fact that even if these guys are not cumming over the girls faces and eyes in particular, they have still recieved a BJ, now you know you only have to have a small cut or sore within the mouth cavity and you have another problem, fluid, pre-cum, whatever you choose to call it is still released prior to ejaculation, he lies another problem.
At the end of the day, I agree, I may have over exaggerated the numbers, Yes, they are all old enough to make there own informed decisions but the original point still remains, it only takes 1 girl to catch an STD, which she may be totally unaware off until she has either her monthly, or quarterly checkup, in the meantime she has been working with other professional models on films who may be unaware of her other activities, I don't have state how dangerous this could be.
I must again state that I love the bukkake scene but all I'm saying is these girls must, if not for themselves think of there fellow performers, the HIV and STD certificates these girls have are not worth the paper they are written on.
I've read your post and and you make some good points, I don't want to enter into an argument over this as life is too short.
May I just comment on a couple of issue's, the first being the numbers and the fact you think I have over-exaggerated, I agree,I may have, but at the same time I am talking from experience of events I've been to. and postings I have somehow recieved from yahoo groups, you only have to see how many of these events a girl will do in one week to realise these numbers I suggest may not be as over exaggerated as you think.
The second point I would like to comment on is, cum in the eyes, yes again your right, a lot of the cum does not go in the eyes, but I have seen the girls completely facially covered, and I mean seriously covered with cum, their eyes are red raw from the amount of cum that has entered into the eye cavity, you only have to look at the photographs that are posted after the events, it's there as proof, yes, alot of the girls involved in the scene are amateurs, but more worrying is that I've seen a large increase of well known female adult performers now being involved.
One point I didn't raise in my original post was the fact that even if these guys are not cumming over the girls faces and eyes in particular, they have still recieved a BJ, now you know you only have to have a small cut or sore within the mouth cavity and you have another problem, fluid, pre-cum, whatever you choose to call it is still released prior to ejaculation, he lies another problem.
At the end of the day, I agree, I may have over exaggerated the numbers, Yes, they are all old enough to make there own informed decisions but the original point still remains, it only takes 1 girl to catch an STD, which she may be totally unaware off until she has either her monthly, or quarterly checkup, in the meantime she has been working with other professional models on films who may be unaware of her other activities, I don't have state how dangerous this could be.
I must again state that I love the bukkake scene but all I'm saying is these girls must, if not for themselves think of there fellow performers, the HIV and STD certificates these girls have are not worth the paper they are written on.
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sexplorer
Re: Bukkake's & the health issue's
Ian, you are talking sensible here.
While I've never been to a Bukkake I am curious to experience one. Just once would be enough for me. But the idea that I could end up getting HIV, Hepatitis, etc freaks me out ( it's probably the single biggest explanation why I am still hesitant).
I admire the girls who organise and take part in these events, but what a risk they take each time. Sucking bloke after bloke - well what's the law of statistics say ? And does it really matter if they are professionals or amateurs ? Sure they are consenting adults but the possiblity of being infected has got to be high. And then they risk passing on an infection to their partners !
While I've never been to a Bukkake I am curious to experience one. Just once would be enough for me. But the idea that I could end up getting HIV, Hepatitis, etc freaks me out ( it's probably the single biggest explanation why I am still hesitant).
I admire the girls who organise and take part in these events, but what a risk they take each time. Sucking bloke after bloke - well what's the law of statistics say ? And does it really matter if they are professionals or amateurs ? Sure they are consenting adults but the possiblity of being infected has got to be high. And then they risk passing on an infection to their partners !
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John
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I applaud Ian for bringing his concerns into this forum.
What he says with regard to the eye is absolute fact. In my line of work, I am sometimes, unfortunately, forced into contact with body fluids... 10 years ago I attended a serious Road Accident - the driver was drunk and a known IV drug user. As a result of the accident he had an enormous gaping hole in his head (and numerous other injuries). A head wound bleeds - and bleeds profusely... They guy was thrashing around like a mad man - we were getting soaked in blood. We are issued with Safety Glasses and wear surgical gloves at RTAs... but many of us omit to wear the glasses because they're actually provided for eye protection when cutting the car to pieces - the weight of the equipment, the bulkiness of the kit etc makes you sweat big time... it isnt long before the glasses are steaming up - they're a hindrance.
Anyway - to cut to the chase... after we'd released the guy, we were ALL conveyed to hospital to have blood tests etc. The medic crew on the scene told us that the eye was one of the most receptive areas for ANY infection and we needed to be tested there and then with a follow up 1 month and 3 months later... a sneeze in the eye... rubbing your eye with dirty hands. It's not just HIV, Hep B (and the numerous other Heps), STDs in general - it's ANY infection and the eye is particularly receptive.
Needless to say -I now wear my safety glasses whenever there is a chance of body fluid eye contact!
I like the concept of Bukkake... we all like to see the cumshot and what better than seeing a girl taking multiple cumshots and revelling in it?! Like many have said, I'm not a fan of the huge "record-breaking" gangbang attempts... rather dull, rather pointles conveyor belt sex where no one is truly enjoying the experience - I think the ratio 4:1 (M to F) is more than adequate. But Bukkake is something else entirely.
As for the risks... undoubtedly they exist. But they exist if you rub your eyes after your hands have had sexual contact. With something like HIV, I think the risks are a little lower than with something like Hep B which lives in normal atmospheric conditions quite happily, HIV is less "hardy" - though the risk undoubtedly exists.
I think the answer is simply education - an awareness of the risks. It's then a matter of the girls making their educated decisions backed up by the respect of the partcipants.
I would suggest that facials are best reserved for TESTED participants - but we can go on like this forever. I mean, we do have to remember that a certificate is only good until it is compromised... 3 months is quite a gap between tests and like anything - it boils down to all the individuals exercising respect for themselves and each other.
All for empowering through education and I commend Ian for this. But each to their own level of risk I guess.
What he says with regard to the eye is absolute fact. In my line of work, I am sometimes, unfortunately, forced into contact with body fluids... 10 years ago I attended a serious Road Accident - the driver was drunk and a known IV drug user. As a result of the accident he had an enormous gaping hole in his head (and numerous other injuries). A head wound bleeds - and bleeds profusely... They guy was thrashing around like a mad man - we were getting soaked in blood. We are issued with Safety Glasses and wear surgical gloves at RTAs... but many of us omit to wear the glasses because they're actually provided for eye protection when cutting the car to pieces - the weight of the equipment, the bulkiness of the kit etc makes you sweat big time... it isnt long before the glasses are steaming up - they're a hindrance.
Anyway - to cut to the chase... after we'd released the guy, we were ALL conveyed to hospital to have blood tests etc. The medic crew on the scene told us that the eye was one of the most receptive areas for ANY infection and we needed to be tested there and then with a follow up 1 month and 3 months later... a sneeze in the eye... rubbing your eye with dirty hands. It's not just HIV, Hep B (and the numerous other Heps), STDs in general - it's ANY infection and the eye is particularly receptive.
Needless to say -I now wear my safety glasses whenever there is a chance of body fluid eye contact!
I like the concept of Bukkake... we all like to see the cumshot and what better than seeing a girl taking multiple cumshots and revelling in it?! Like many have said, I'm not a fan of the huge "record-breaking" gangbang attempts... rather dull, rather pointles conveyor belt sex where no one is truly enjoying the experience - I think the ratio 4:1 (M to F) is more than adequate. But Bukkake is something else entirely.
As for the risks... undoubtedly they exist. But they exist if you rub your eyes after your hands have had sexual contact. With something like HIV, I think the risks are a little lower than with something like Hep B which lives in normal atmospheric conditions quite happily, HIV is less "hardy" - though the risk undoubtedly exists.
I think the answer is simply education - an awareness of the risks. It's then a matter of the girls making their educated decisions backed up by the respect of the partcipants.
I would suggest that facials are best reserved for TESTED participants - but we can go on like this forever. I mean, we do have to remember that a certificate is only good until it is compromised... 3 months is quite a gap between tests and like anything - it boils down to all the individuals exercising respect for themselves and each other.
All for empowering through education and I commend Ian for this. But each to their own level of risk I guess.
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Ian
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Sexplorer,
I think, and I stand to be corrected on this one, that it's highly unlikely for you, as a participant at a bukkake to catch HIV or hepatitis, I'm not an authority however and if anyone else could confirm this I would appreciate it.
I think, and I stand to be corrected on this one, that it's highly unlikely for you, as a participant at a bukkake to catch HIV or hepatitis, I'm not an authority however and if anyone else could confirm this I would appreciate it.
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John
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There is a risk - more from Hep than anything else because of the fact that is so virulent and can live happily outside of the body fopr considerable periods....
But the risk is low - those really at risk are those receiving the facials...
For a participant to be at risk, well, what would seem the most likely cause would be having an infected person in close proximity sneeze in his face and for it to enter his eye... And lets be realistic - could quite easily happen in the supermarket as much as the Bukkake party.
John
But the risk is low - those really at risk are those receiving the facials...
For a participant to be at risk, well, what would seem the most likely cause would be having an infected person in close proximity sneeze in his face and for it to enter his eye... And lets be realistic - could quite easily happen in the supermarket as much as the Bukkake party.
John