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You've taken what I wrote too literally Diggler. Using filesharing sites for distributing paysite content like mine is wrong.

And to be honest, pointing out how difficult it is to police, enforce or control doesn't help the situation. I guess this isn't your intention, but it's not helpful and does nothing to discourage people from doing it.

My apologies for the misinterpretation !sad!

But seriously this "huge elephant in the room" which is stampeding out of control and according to some will destroy your industry
We are not supposed to talk about it|

Secondly me making comments about how difficult a situation it is to control will have what impact exactly on the Billion plus people who have inernet access
Something tells me the percentage of them who read my posts and are encouraged to pirate material is rather trivial to say the least

Diggler wrote:

if porn producers in particular continue this "scattergun" approach of hiring less than top notch legal firms


Here is where i htink you misunderstand what is actually going on. No porn producer has actively hired a legal firm to deal with this. It was the legal firms that approached the adult business handling it on the basis they have the permission of producers to seek titles that are being shared to legitimise its position in doing so and paying out on the basis of its successes

Producers getting a service for free with the possibility of a pay out are not going to object to this. Well a few have but the argument is, by not agreeing to do it is sending the signal out that the industry is faceless and doesnt care and therein is effectively promoting filesharing by doing nothing about it.

The few who object to it (two I can think of) are not participating because they regard it as morally unsound and I see their point, even if I dont subscribe to it.

Its all very well being moralistic about it but as far as Im concerned ACS law have screwed up whereas other firms are practicising a bit more dilligence by probing it more carefully than just dishing out invoices willy nilly because this is how ACS law got themselves into a tizzy in the first place.

Diggler wrote:

(snip)....according to some will destroy your industry
We are not supposed to talk about it|

Says who? This is a forum and no one has gaged anyone on this as far as I know on the last 100 posts on this topic

Onthe other hand I think its all this discussion on forums and the media that have precipitated a snowball effect of interest in torrenting from the conjurted up statistics I read in articles some 100.000 people a day are file sharing or some such.

If people really knew that amount of people were downloading illegally then maybe something couldbe done about it but as you rightly say, this would take an army of people to deal with

Incidentally when I interviewed the BBFC about doing the same such thing for their online scheme , there answer was they can find the personnel to deal with it if they had to.

The reason i dont take any of this personally probably has something to do with this all not going anywhere near a solution and Im sure we could debate this onto another 100 posts.

Go on lets se how far we can drag this out? !happy!

No time for a full reply now but one site TPB 23.095.055 peers
Of course not 100% of TPB torrents are copyrighted material just most of them
My estimate not 100's of 1000's but 100's of millions
Napster first appeared over 10 years ago so not surprising that a lot of people know about this

Bump. Let's make this post last til the New Year.

Given producers / models have little or no avenue to stop their material being shared enmass you cant blame them for signing up to this course of action...2 wrongs dont make a right BUT if those contacted feel guilty enough to pay up who is to say its wrong.

The interesting thing to me is while all this material is being shared from what i can gleam its not really being used for personal consumption

Infact the more I've read and looked into the likes of Hosts offering cash for uploads/download traffic the more I've come to the conclusion the majority are simply motivated by the cash and secondly the promise of free premium accounts.Where torrents fit in is they give quicker access to more material.

One wonders if torrents/file hosts/newsgroups/streaming video sites etc were ever brought under control ie removed totally would it even make a difference to the sites who are having their content plundered?


The bottom line for mine is until the law in the real world ever catches up with the internet punitive action against the end user will bare little fruit and do nothing to stop piracy or file sharing but it might be the difference between a small operation closing down or staying open.

If these lawyers were serious about helping the industry and not just themselves they'd be targetting the 3rd parties that are obviously reaping real financial benefits...there must be a massive legal loop hole somewhere for monster 1 stop forums to be able to carry huge threads of individual paysites out in the open in your face not to mention every other type of entertainment music,tv,books etc

From what i have seen of the free forums it seems that within certain restraints people are free to post whatever content they want and it's only when DMCA and other nasty legal letters are recieved that certain websites/pornstars or companies get put on a banned list. I would guess that beyond some advertizing revenue and possible affiliation with one of these new breed of "cash for download" filehosters these "free forums" make very little money.Sadly most of the big forums are being overun by people posting copyrighted material to make cash my suspicion is that a lot of them are from third world countries as the rewards per D/L are so pathetically small also i guess a lot of it is done by "robot software" It all comes back to the principle that if all hosts had to check material before it was posted then most of the internet would disappear. An awful lot of websites were you can post material or comments use the standard disclaimer that they are not responsible for the content therefore if you object don't blame them but simply ask for it to be removed

Interesting that disclaimer given you can find a section on a well known forum which have every conceivable paysite in their own seperate threads all be it with %^&*()#@$ in the title

Strangely enough this forum even if your on its banned list
still allows uploads of banned material

Your always fed this bullshit that the forums might be closed down if stuff on the banned list is posted.....apparently not

One wonders why some forums get the court order to close and others seemingly operate in their own little bubbles with impunity


Heres to the next file host(filesonic) cash reward implosion
which will no doubt leave forums looking like outerspace with debris/dead links strewn everywhere just as rapidshare is about to do

Deuce wrote:

...BUT if those contacted feel guilty enough to pay up who is to say its wrong.


Thats where it fell down or rather the critics have attacked it because it has targetted people who were not necessarily the perpetrators of filesharing and basically the "guilty" have paid up to avoid embraassement so its more of a morally wrong thing.

Otherwise everything else you said I agree.