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Re: The Stephen Lawrence Murder

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:13 pm
by one eyed jack
Spot on Sam. Totally agree.


Re: The Stephen Lawrence Murder

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:34 pm
by algarve addick
Bullshit.
I'm proud to be white and english, why shouldn't I be? I've never been discourteous or aggressive or anything but friendly to anyone I've ever met, irrespective of ethnicity.
Unless you're ignorant, have an attitude or are rude towards me or my family, in which case I can be the worst enemy you've ever had.

Re: The Stephen Lawrence Murder

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:48 pm
by Sam Slater
You miss my point. I don't walk around in a bubble of 'self hate'. I'm just saying that when you hear ignorant 'white' tossers and how some of them act, I get embarrassed 'for them' and feel ashamed. I kinda worded it wrong though.

I'll rephrase it: "I fell ashamed that they're the same colour as me.......(who happens to be white.)"

There.......that better?


[quote]Racism is on it's deathbed....... the question is, how costly will the racists make the funeral?

MARTIN LUTHER KING[/quote]

A perfect quote, that in this age; works both ways.


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Re: The Stephen Lawrence Murder

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:10 am
by stm distribution
no one has answered yet about where all the money is coming from for all these inquireys in the lawrence case it must have so far cost a fortune

Re: The Stephen Lawrence Murder

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:04 am
by steve56
what about the poor parents/victim re the princes murder he was trying to stop a fight and got killed cant recall his name but it was recent.one eyed jack wrote:

> Spot on Sam. Totally agree.
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Re: The Stephen Lawrence Murder

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:16 pm
by max_tranmere
I too watched the programme about the Lawrence murder and it shocks me that those guys who so obviously did it are still at large. One thing that interests me though is that Stephen Lawrence was knifed three times and there are five guys who 'did it'. Does that mean one knifeman wielding his blade three times and four onlookers? At the very most it would mean three guys with a knife each and two onlookers - the onlookers obviously condoning what their mate(s) are doing but not actually doing the stabbing. Therefore they wouldn't have all gone down for murder anyway, even if the Police hadn't cocked the whole thing up.

I disagreed with the decision by Jack Straw, the then Home Secretary, to commission the Lawrence Inquiry because I think it has done more harm than good. I agree that they needed to get to the bottom of what occured but the damage it has done to the Police and how the Police now have to 'watch themselves' means that the Inquiry did a lot of damage to their ability to keep Londoners safe. Street crime in London has gone through the roof since the Lawrence Inquiry and it has helped turn London - which used to be the envy of urban America - into a city that even its Mayor Ken Livingstone says of it that he feels safer in New York than in London nowadays!

It was manner from heaven for the TV media when the Inquiry reported that there was 'Institutionalised racisim in the Metropolitan Police'. The TV Media, sitting in their Ivory Towers, have run with this so hard and for so long now as to almost destroy the Police entirely; creating a situation where the Police have to think twice about stopping and searching a black man in London, even if he looks shifty and is loitering around late at night not apparently going anywhere, and in a part of London known to have a high mugging rate. The Police are trying to keep the public safe, but thanks to these stupid do-gooders mainly located in the television media, the Police run the risk of being called racist if they approach him.

While these ludicrously over-paid editors, sub-editors, and presenters are being chauffered home in an air-conditioned Mercedes along the A40 on their way to their Berkshire pile, the Police are out there on the front line in areas like Camden Town and Kings Cross trying to lessen the chances of decent people being harmed - but post-Lawrence they have to pull back, and London is a much more dangerous place now because of that. Any ethnic story is top-billing on TV News networks, whilst a white equivilant story barely gets a mention. All these self-appointed 'experts' are on the TV slagging off the Police and the establishment - the media effectively giving them a playform to broadcast any kind of hate they want and against whomever they want.

As someone said earlier, it is not a level playing field, black on white crime is not racist, but vice-versa always is. There was NEVER an accusation made by Lord MacPherson in his Inquiry into the Lawrence murder that the Police had acted in a racist way in their handling of the whole thing. The whole thing of 'Institutionalised racism in the Met' was something he said in a general summing-up in the report about what he had discovered during his time around the Police while looking into the murder - the so called 'canteen culture' and so on. But the TV Media have so distorted this and made it look as through MacPherson made a charge of how the Police acted in a racist way while investigating the Lawrence murder. He found them to have been incompetent, not racist as such in their direct handling of the murder.

Also I noticed on that BBC1 programme that one of the Lawrence suspects had apparently knifed someone before and the Police had never solved that crime either. This victim was WHITE, proving that the Police bungle things to do with white victims as well as black victims too. The Lawrence Inquiry, and the media's obsession with it for years now, has tremendously harmed the Police and the chances of being safe on the streets now for many Londoners. It has also given many people a chance to make a career out of telling the Police they are racist and so on, on an almost daily basis.

I genuinely can not believe how the TV media has grown to be so powerful. This completely unelected, largely unaccountable entity that decides what to praise, what to vilify and so on; networks that will always give much greater coverage to something that white people have done to ethnic minorities, and give so much less coverage to things done BY ethnic minorities against white people; an entity which mis-reports what MacPherson found in his Inquiry - presumably in order to do harm to the Police, and so on.

A collection of networks that effectively calls people racist, by heavy implication, without actually saying it and so on. George Orwell died in the late 1940's and never got to see television, let alone the rise of the TV media and how influential, largely subjective, subtely lobbying for this and that and so on, that it became - all thrust into the homes of tens of millions of people every day. He wouldn't believe his eyes if he was around today; he would have penned a book similar to 1984 about it I am sure.

Watch your back if you're out late at night in a run-down, drug-ridden, area of London. The Police are trying their best to keep you safe, but have been largely neutered by the Media - the personnel of which are nowhere near that place, and will never run the risk of being harmed in the way that you may be about to be. They are the tools of evil the TV media and we are all worse off for it.

Re: The Stephen Lawrence Murder

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:47 pm
by Sam Slater
A well thought out, and sensible post. I must state that the media are essential to a free, and democratic society. They keep the public informed, and their very presence keeps corruption low.

The media of today are as interested in money, as they are in revealing the truth. Since we're in an age where the civilisd world tries to stamp out 'white on black' racism, any racist attack will be big news. Big news sells papers/attracts viewers which means more money.

Maybe the government should state that any form of media must donate all profit to charity. Once their motivation for profit drops, we may get a more balanced view on crime, and other 'newsworthy' happenings.


Re: The Stephen Lawrence Murder

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:08 pm
by titanic
Quality reply
If we could apply it to media then maybe we could apply it to our Mp's


Re: The Stephen Lawrence Murder

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:25 pm
by algarve addick
A truly daft reply, more like.
Why on earth should the media(which is a business) donate their profit any more than you or I should donate our wages to charity?
Utter drivel if you ask me.