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Re: What a sad bastard
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:33 am
by diplodocus
simply put no it's not, all the evidence points to us having an effect
Re: What a sad bastard
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:13 am
by Sam Slater
Ignore Steve R. He watched one dodgy documentary on Channel 4 which agrees with his own assumptions and the other 90% of global eggheads are wrong.
Re: What a sad bastard
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:20 am
by Sam Slater
Well said Diplo.
Mind you, I'd agree that temperatures within large cities are slightly higher than surrounding areas. Something to do with CO2 emissions?! !laugh!
Steve also thinks that smoking doen't cause cancer in others through passive smoking. Those scientists are being silly as well.
Re: What a sad bastard
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:21 pm
by Steve R
The Final Draft IPCC Summary For Policy Makers, (?The Physical Science Basis?) was not, in fact drafted by scientists at all. It was drafted by government appointees with little or no knowledge of the subject.
Temperature changes in the last ten thousand years (prior to 2005):
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Diplodocus wrote:
>I wonder what your background is to call climatologists 'silly' and to dismiss them as ''scientists''
I was a Yale University professor and reached my conclusions on this matter, as well as the urban legend of "passive smoking", by speaking to scientific colleagues.
Re: What a sad bastard
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:31 pm
by chatterji
Steve R,
If you'd clicked my link you'd have gone to the Royal Society. This, (and other academies like it around the world), is the only source of world-class, expert scientific opinion, free of government. There is now a GLOBAL consensus of every single major scientific academy on climate change and its acceleration due to the agency of humanity.
To be elected to an academy you must be pre-eminent in your field and recognised as such by your peers. There is no more reliably dispassionate EXPERT opinion in the world. This is a fact.
Why is it people will believe conspiracy theories, paperbacks and inidividuals with no scientific credibility, but refuse to accept the very real and credible explanations posited by the very few people on the planet qualified to offer an opinion?
Re: What a sad bastard
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:35 pm
by Steve R
Oh, but I did click on your link.
Re: What a sad bastard
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:55 pm
by diplodocus
we can all post graphs made from various stats to fit whatever we want
what were you a prof of?
Re: What a sad bastard
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:01 pm
by Steve R
diplodocus wrote:
> what were you a prof of?
Music.
The graph represents actual known temperatures.
Current human production of CO2 is tiny.
Volcanoes produce more CO2 each year than all of our factories, aeroplanes and cars put together.
Animals and bacteria produce more CO2 each year than all of the volcanoes put together.
Dying vegetation produces more CO2 each year than all of the animals and bacteria put together.
The oceans produce more CO2 each year than all of the above put together.
Re: What a sad bastard
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:13 pm
by diplodocus
"The graph represents actual known temperatures."
so did the ones i posted
human production has still raised levels by approx 100ppm
all the other factors you've mentioned are all natural processess which contribute to the natural global greenhouse effect - otherwise it would be too cold for us to survive
Re: What a sad bastard
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:33 pm
by Steve R
diplodocus wrote:
> all the other factors you've mentioned are all natural
> processess which contribute to the natural global greenhouse
> effect - otherwise it would be too cold for us to survive
Ah, you're learning.
Now just consider that the entire human production of CO2 is absolutely infinitesimal compared to those and you'll have a clearer idea of the absurdity of the global warming scare.