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Wasn't it in the Socialist Wondeland of Scotland, where Tory values have nwver prevailed?

bollocks, whatever her failings in politics you cannot detach from the fact that it was a 50 year old woman beaten and hospitalised

maybe you could put a case for 'could this wake up an MP to the failings in some areas of society', but your amusment at the fate of an old woman is beneath contempt

Yes, but are you saying this mugging wouldn't have occurred in any other British city?

Too fucking right, would he say the same if she was his mother?

"The kids that mugged her were born in, reared in, and partly educated in Tory Britain. They were reared by parents that were reared in, educated in, and gave birth to these 'muggers' in Tory Britain. The kids AND parents learnt their morals in Tory Britain.

Labour may be to blame for not reducing crime enough, but cannot be blamed for it's creation."

And their grandparents grew up in Labour Britain and their great-grandparents grew up in Tory Britain.

Its not about the political party of the time its about the thick as fook parents not giving a toss about how their children are raised. The fact is that sentences should be far tougher for crimes than they are now. There is absolutely zero deterrence in a community order or an ASBO.

The Human Rights Act has been a total farce since its inception (Sutcliffe claiming his rights have been infringed anyone...) and although we were forced to take it on board as a result of being part of Europe, the idiots in power have allowed it to be abused beyond recognition. What was once a fantastic idea in principle has led to drug addicts and dealers claiming their rights were infringed because they weren't given access to smack while inside...AND WINNING THE CASE!!

No I'm not, it could happen anywhere. But it was brought on by the NL Luvvies. Soft on crime - soft on the causes of crime, now it's come back to bite them on their arse. But what happens north of the border is for them to worry about, no us, as it's a different country.

On average, Stewie, you cannot blame one's morals and behaviour on the grandparents.

Stronger sentences would indeed mean less criminals on the streets, but wouldn't that mean more prisons and thus paying more tax? Who are the people that will complain loudest about paying more tax? The rich of course...

I disagree. (as General Pinochet would say)

So Mr. Hungwell if it happened North of the border and therefore doesn't concerns us (sorry them) then please explain why you have posted several times (mainly backtracking) on this point that doesn't concern you then ...

Flat_Eric wrote:

> But remember in 1997 how Labour were banging on in the run-up
> to the election about how - once elected - they were going to
> be "touch on crime, tough on the causes of crime"?
>
> Well - they've had 11 years to deliver on those pledges, but
> have failed spectacularly on both counts.
>
> So yes, they have to hold up their hands and accept
> responsibility for how bad things have got.
>


In 1998 the Crime and Disorder Act was introduced subsequent amendments have or at least should have made this even easier.

Although the Government does have to take responsibility and gets the criticism it quite rightly deserves on this others need to be looked at as well.

You can introduce all the legislation you want but if those who are paid to do a job don't do it then it doesn't mean a thing.

For example the area where Gary Newlove was murdered should have been dealt with by Warrington Borough Council. That's not my opinion it is a commitment that they make, along with their partners, in their Community Safety Strategy. They didn't and Mr Newlove died.


Now there will be some blaming red tape BUT in a lot of cases its not red tape but not being arsed or worse stupidity / bad management that's the main cause.

Crime and in particular graffiti has gone up where I live (coincidently after the Tories took over) but in our Community Safety Strategy it states graffiti will be cleaned within a week. It can't be cleaned simply because some arse at the council didn't order any masks for the cleaners to wear.

Bearing in mind that graffiti is a crime and as such logged and counted thus becoming a Government figure they are being blamed because some idiot (coincidently working for a Tory council) hasn't done their job.

Because its not being cleaned it is being added to and every time it is it is another crime, another log and another figure.

Add to that the fact that there are a considerable number of people like Chandra Chipolata who attempt to undermine any proposals they can under the guise of Civil Liberties and anyone will struggle.

Boris at the mo wants more and live CCTV on buses but the BIG Brother watching us campaigners are already moaning.

Chipolata etc will moan when Green Dave is in power and people paid to do things still won't do them.

Will Green Dave force his councils to do the jobs they are being paid to do? If yes then why isn't he doing it now because he (along with the Government) have been asked.