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Re: 11 year old dies whilst parents pray on..
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:58 am
by Sam Slater
[quote]Ignorance re-inforced by a primitive belief system or personal philosophy which the parents applied to other people is no excuse. [/quote]
Oh but I think it is. Causing someone to die with an intent to kill and causing someone to die with the intent to heal are very different mindsets. Treating both mindsets equally within law isn't fair and lacks understanding,l in my view. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be punished because lessons have to be learnt and messages have to be sent to others, but the parents' goal was not to kill their daughter and so they are not murderers.
[quote]The whole set-up is deeply evil.[/quote]
I suppose parts of it (religion?) are, yes. A more accurate accusation would be 'outdated' and 'untrue'.
Re: 11 year old dies whilst parents pray on..
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:11 am
by Sam Slater
[quote]Isn't ignorance sometimes so woeful it becomes punishable?[/quote]
Yes, mrmcfister. Sometimes there's no excuse to be ignorant of something.
Like I said: I'm in no way saying these parents shouldn't be punished, I just objected to them being called evil because to think of them as such we would be going down the same road of ignorance that they did, which ultimately killed a young girl.
I don't know what a fair punishment would be really; considering they prayed for their daughter every night we can presume they loved her deeply and the sorrow, anguish, regret and guilt they must feel will live with them longer than any prison term; in an ideal world that is punishment enough. Messages must be sent to other religious parents, though, that this sort of thing is negligent and illegal, and so, unfortunately, they must also be punished by law.
Re: 11 year old dies whilst parents pray on..
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:47 pm
by justincyder
this is going to sound terrible i know and i expect flaming, but in a way its better she died,else another brain-washed, gullible twit would have been forced to walk the earth plagueing the rest of us.
The sad thing is she wouldn't have had the choice to believe or not from the sound of her parents.
I'm always amazed at how people are so readily able to accept as gospel no matter what religion, text and teachings from people alive several thousand years ago who believed the earth was flat, women essentially only esisted to serve men and breed, and that a clap of thunder was because Mr God/allah/whomever was pissed off.
yet if you told that same 'intellgient' person that oh i dunno say eating shit cured cancer they'd laugh at you, but if it said it somewhere in a holy text from 2 thousand years ago? ok pass me a spoon.
anyhoo just in case there is a god. only kidding mate ~nervous laughter~
Re: 11 year old dies whilst parents pray on..
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:50 pm
by justincyder
ps: i forget upto which century it existed before someone in the catholic church probably looked a bit sheepish and said fair enough we're talking bollox; but at one point it was heresy NOT to believe in werewolves and vampires and several thousand ( as usual ) were put to the death over it.
O and they deemed Galilleo a heretic too.
Re: 11 year old dies whilst parents pray on..
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:43 pm
by jj
Skilled labour normally requires some form of examination.
Parenting, although, skilled labour, seems to be the exception.
Almost the most chilling phrase I ever hear is "I know what's best
for my own child"......
Re: 11 year old dies whilst parents pray on..
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:51 pm
by justincyder
all depends on your viewpoint of life in fairness.