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Thanks for that Warren. I agree that the market is turning towards downloads for a variety of obvious reasons, namely that of volume and accessibility and not to mention, price.

I think the internet has sounded the death knell of buying dvds as we know it.

To the naysayers , I know there is still an ardent collectors market for dvd but the numbers are simply not enough to make it worthwhile.

I think that DVD piracy, and the monopoly position held by shop owners, are the things driving the decline in the DVD market at the moment.

The police recently reported to AITA that about half of pirate DVDs they seized during a factory raid were adult ones. So for every Spiderman 3 changing hands for a fiver, there's an adult title. I'd guess that 90% or more of adult DVD sales are pirates right now.

The Internet should be able to revive the fortunes of producers, with time, but in the short term the growth in online porn doesn't match the decline in DVD sales.

I've followed this tread and feel it is time to comment.

For work that is to be publically released on DVD, magazine, internet etc the models deserve every penny they can get since as I understand they get a fee for the shoot while for DVD and internet video the producer gets a payment per sale / viewing. If that payment was say ?1 per DVD sold in Soho etc. and over a period of time 5000 DVD are sold that is a tidy ?5000 income yet from reading the posts on here the model will not get even ?500. Please correct me if I am wrong.

However there are not many models listed here with 100 video / DVD appearances and not so many more with 50.

Hence for a model great when they can earn in a day more than many do in a week but realistically the oppertunities are limited and intermittant.

I feel if a model wants work at least 4 days a week they need to take a significantly lower rate for private work.

As an engineer my take home pay works out at about ?9/hour or ?10/hour not counting paid holiday. A normal day is 8.5 hours. With 30 mins lunch break and travelling time, at my expense, my working day away from home is over 10 hours for around ?85.

I would happily pay a model ?100 for a 4 hour mixed stills and video shoot to solo toys level and travel 75 miles to them. However when I contact models who post seeking work most want twice that sum or more.

I will be interested in reading the constructive responses but to those who only make negative posts about private work can I ask they keep their comments to themselves.

You can't complain about DVD piracy. If genuine prices weren't so OTT then piracy wouldn't exist. Most people would rather buy genuine over pirate, but the difference in price between the two makes it attractive to many to opt for the cheaper one, a genuine DVD costing ?15 or a pirate for ?4, no contest, people are willing to accept an inferior product and a pirate product when the price difference is big enough, however if the genuine DVD were say ?8 then the attractiveness of pirates would be much less.

Talking about the Spiderman flick, a family of four to the pictures is ?20 plus probably same again on popcorn and drinks, when it comes out on DVD it'll be ?15, a pirate copy will cost ?4, maybe a fiver tops so it's no surprise that piracy is big business.

I buy genuine adult DVD's, but I buy from a company in the US as it's much much cheaper than buying here in the UK, I don't think I've bought an adult DVD in the UK for over 15 years now. For mainstream movies, i.e Rocky VI I buy pirates at ?4 a time and not ashamed to admit it, I don't want to pay ?15 for something I'll only ever watch once or twice.

So you want to pay a model ?25 per hour for her to get her kit off and shove a dildo up her fanny for your personal enjoyment? Get real! If you want the model, pay her a decent rate!

And with regards to your last comment...I have no problem with 'private work' just the fact that cheap skates like you want something for nothing.

Sparky wrote:

I've followed this tread and feel it is time to comment.

For work that is to be publically released on DVD, magazine, internet etc the models deserve every penny they can get since as I understand they get a fee for the shoot while for DVD and internet video the producer gets a payment per sale / viewing. If that payment was say ?1 per DVD sold in Soho etc. and over a period of time 5000 DVD are sold that is a tidy ?5000 income yet from reading the posts on here the model will not get even ?500. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Sorry Sparky, I've got to correct you. Thats not how it works. I'm sure most producers would at least be a bit happier if that were so but thats not how it works.

If a performer wants to make the kind of money in terms of royalty payments then they should get into this for themselves and find out but as it is, the model getting paid ?500 is getting paid in advance for a job done where as the producer has to run the risk of never breaking even in the long run.

Despite the fees paid out to the models and other costs, post production and equipment you think its fair for the model to earn more than a producer? A model may work all day for that money but a producer works all the other days and still has to slave to some degre to recoup investment.

Please lets not break the sad note on the fiddle for the models please. I dont hear any of them complaining.

Stockie wrote:
You can't complain about DVD piracy. If genuine prices weren't so OTT then piracy wouldn't exist. Most people would rather buy genuine over pirate, but the difference in price between the two makes it attractive to many to opt for the cheaper one, a genuine DVD costing ?15 or a pirate for ?4, no contest, people are willing to accept an inferior product and a pirate product when the price difference is big enough, however if the genuine DVD were say ?8 then the attractiveness of pirates would be much less.

Well I can complain about dvd piracy Stockie and although I see your point I dont buy into the argument for piracy. Not because I'm all moralistic but I 've always hated the idea of watching a potentially good movie with less than good picture and 5.1 surround sound. I still go to the cinema to watch movies as well.

If you cant afford the whopping price of a brand new dvd then just simply hire it for a lot less at Block Busters and copy it if thats your inclination.

In short you would rather fund pirates to own a disc that cost you ?4 that you couldve got for ?2.50 if you hired it legally. ???? With the ?1.50 you couldve bought a bag of popcorn too.

With regards to adult dvds I would rather see the point of someone paying to join a site over spending ?4 on a dvd because on a site they have a lot more value for money than a dvd within their membership.

Lets not forget if buying a pirate dvd and the bloody thing is a dud, you aint gonna get your money back unless you threaten to break their arms then you've got all the Triads to deal with on that then. Unless Mr Pirate bloke is such a nice guy with good customer relations that he exchanges it for another title.

Modelling is a free market hence everyone can set their own rates and limits.

Also I have no knowledge to comment what job / career path any model might take as an alternative to modelling.

However alternatives that would earn ?100 in half a day are limited.

The offer is there for all to consider.