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warren zevon rip wrote:

> planeterotica wrote:
>
>
> > Well the fact is we didnt have a choice on who leads our
> > country as Gordon Brown was enforced upon us we didnt vote
> for
> > him to be our leader and he has no mandate to be PM
>
> Yes we did. We (or many of us) voted for the Labour Party in
> the last election. The party with the most seats in the House
> of Commons forms the government, and its leaders (all the way
> through the parliamentary term of said party) are called the
> Prime Minister. There is no such thing as an election for PM in
> the UK, and there never has been, so we could never vote for GB
> to be PM. If you didn't know this already, you do now, so you
> have no excuse for any continued constitutional ignorance.
>
> Now apologise for equating the real troubles of people in Iran
> and Zimbabwe with your footling, made up, whiney, pretend,
> troubles. It is pathetic to use the word "dictator" to make an
> (erroneous) political point when real people have to live under
> real dictators.
>
planeterotica wrote:

Warren, there will be no apologies from me for calling the Brown arsehole a dictator, the word dictator means Absolute Ruler which is exactly what Brown thinks he is as he takes no notice of what others think just as long as he gets his own way, he is a dictator hiding behind a flawed democratic system.

warren zevon rip wrote:

> planeterotica wrote:
> > Warren, there will be no apologies from me for calling the
> > Brown arsehole a dictator, the word dictator means Absolute
> > Ruler which is exactly what Brown thinks he is as he takes no
> > notice of what others think just as long as he gets his own
> > way, he is a dictator hiding behind a flawed democratic
> system.
>
> A flawed democratic system is plainly not a dictatorship. I
> feel that you have no respect for the millions who really do
> suffer under non-extistent democratic systems and real
> dictators, and are willing to trample on their feelings in
> order to make a pathetically ignorant anti-Labour point.
>
> Show some respect: hundreds of thousands of our countryfolk
> have fought and even died to get rid of REAL dictators in e.g.
> Germany, and to pretend that e.g. Adolf Hitler and Gordon Brown
> are equally dictatorial is the written equivalent of spitting
> on a war memorial.
>
> You have already been told why Mr Brown is the democratic
> leader of our country (in the same way John Major was in 1991),
> and you have demonstrably not been able to counter that with a
> constitutional argument -calling Mr Brown an "arsehole" does
> not demonstrate your superior argument or knowledge.
>
planeterotica wrote:


Margaret Thatcher was a dictator as she would never listen to the views of others and would remove anyone in office who disagreed with her, Tony Bliar was also a dictator but a least both of them had a mandate from the people to be leaders, John Major when he first became PM didnt have a mandate but there is no way could he be described as a dictator the opposite in fact and he did then go on and win a general election which is something that i doubt dictator Brown will ever manage to do, and he remains an arsehole until he starts listening to what the people of the U.K. want and what they dont want is ever spiralling utility bills just to satisfy greedy shareholders and Brown has the power to put a stop to it but he declines to do so.

warren zevon rip wrote:

> Carry on spitting on the war memorials. It obviously makes you
> happy to do so. Jeez, you'd think someone of your age would
> have some respect for their elders' sacrifices.

planeterotica wrote:

During WW2 Winston Churchill was a dictator because he had to be where on the spot decisions had to be made and you couldnt spend hours,days or weeks deliberating around the cabinet table , but after the war the people dumped him as they wanted a more democratic leader and until Maggie Thatcher came along that was how the system worked, John Major was old school and he may have just been lucky but things ran quite smoothly under his premiership and when he left office he left the Country in a sound fiscal state, but then Bliar took over and started to dictate and Biffo Brown took all the credit for the sound economy that as Chancellor he had inherited and promtly sold most of our gold reseves when the gold price was at an all time low whereas today it has sored to an all time high, and to see the country through the hard times we could have borrowed against that gold but alas we no longer have it beciuse Gordon was so up his own arse that he thought he would never need it and i bet now if there was one thing that he wished he had never done and that would be not selling our gold, all he has left now to raise money is to squeeze the people and Brown loves the high energy prices because it brings him in more revenue via duty and vat so dont ever expect him to put a stop to the utilities from overcharging because they are making up for his past mistakes which he being a dictator will never admit to.

Hold on..... How did Labour get in if life was so good under Major?

Sam Slater wrote:

> Hold on..... How did Labour get in if life was so good under
> Major?
>
planeterotica wrote:

Because people wanted a change and they certainly got one, remember Biffo Brown when he was chancellor proclaiming that there would be no Boom and Bust all the time he was in charge of the economy, well tell that to the increasing number of people having their homes repocessed, now he is in charge of the country hasnt he changed his tune telling us that we are in for a hard year and we must tighten our belts, yes thanks to him fucking up our economy and that is why we are paying more than double what the French are paying for electricity.

We may be in for a hard year.....who knows?

Every year was a hard year under the Tories from what I recall. THAT'S why we changed the government.

If things are as bad as you make out, you'll not have to worry as everybody will vote Conservative next time around, won't they?

Sam Slater wrote:

> We may be in for a hard year.....who knows?
>
> Every year was a hard year under the Tories from what I recall.
> THAT'S why we changed the government.
>
> If things are as bad as you make out, you'll not have to worry
> as everybody will vote Conservative next time around, won't
> they?
>
planeterotica wrote:

Prof it was your mate Zooter who bought politics into it, i was merely asking a question as to why we here in the U.K. are paying more than double what people do in France for our leccy, but as zooter has bought politics to this thread and Biffo Brown and his cronies are second rate Conservatives as they have none of the old Labour values then what is the choice at the next election, its either the Cons or the Nu-Labour Cons as no doubt the Liberal Cons will come turd !happy! and whilst we are on the subject of the utilities Southern Water who are also my supplier were recently fined ?20 million by the watchdog for poor perfomance mainly interupted supplies, burst leaks to you and me, but that money goes straight to old fat Biffo again to squander, it does nothing to compensate the consumer !sad!