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WZR thinks up some good threads me thinks and this place is richer for him..just because you disagree with him and he is articulate that is no reason to be rude? Of course he talks some bollocks at times but dont we all?

I dont like the class thing..reminds me a bit of India and the caste system...better to expect good of people until they prove you wrong we all enter the world as empty vessells and we're all going to be dead one day!

It appears that Mr Zevon has undergone the usual transition the fiery 'Class Warrior' undergoes as soon as he has been invited to his first nice middle class dinner party. From being fiercely contemptuous of 'Class' distinctions and the Class system, he looks around him, realises that he has a decent job and education, is a property owner and can now, in all good conscience, embrace & celebrate the fact that he is not working class and therfore, must be middle class (but it really doesn't mean anything anyway, as the class system is outdated and passe). Amongst the working class, this epiphany is simply known as 'just growing up'. When are you hosting your dinner party Mr Zevon?

beutelwolf's class - middle class
Parents: councillor & secretary turned housewife
education: PhD
aspiraton: watch every good sex film ever made
shops at: Tesco, Aldi, M&S
listens to: Radio 2 & 5

for: public ownership of public services, devolution, immigration controls, the metric system, the Euro for Britain, tax the rich, build enough prisons to put the convicts in, bicycle paths, breaking off diplomatic relations with evil governments, making people pay for plastic bags

against: fight wars to please the yanks, foreign aid, call centres, inflated bank charges, league tables for schools, horse racing on telly, celebrity culture, blasphemy laws, agricultural subsidies, sending every halfwit to university, the monarchy & the House of Lords

Very true.

I am working class and proud of it.