Porn Industry Targets Torrent Users

[Diggler69]

Your'e not that familliar with filesharing are you !wink!

With tape and DVD piracy if it was large scale you would have a "factory" copying tapes, shut that down and you made an impact

Filesharing millions of people scattered all over the world

Torrents and emule for example are SHARING pure and simple no one buys material from someone else so no purchaser as per your context

As soon as you start D/L a torrent even if you only have 1% that 1% is available for other users who don't have that portion to D/L
So you are simultaneously acquiring pirated material and distributing it

I guess there is a purchaser involved to some extent as i assume a lot of DVD,s and web content available as torrents has been paid for (Then ripped copied and illegally distributed)

As to tracing people as i have said several times identifying an IP address is easy PROVING who was using it is a lot harder

I would also guess that there is a highly active minority who egregiously pirate hundreds or possibly 1000's of titles and a vast majority who only D/L the material without making a torrent themselves

Yes the sensible thing to do would be target the minority of people who upload 1000's of titles but hey why go to all that trouble when you can get some half arsed law firm to simply send out one or two threatening letters and get some return



The problem with a concerted effort to tackle the most prolific filesharers is that would possibly involve coordinating 1000's of copyright holders to track down and prosecute possibly 10's of thousands of people who would inevitably live in many different countries all with their own language/laws and differing legal systems

Can't see that happening soon

[Diggler69]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/bl ... y-doctorow

Interesting blog about this topic not specific to porn pirating but he makes some valid points

The war against digital piracy has been going on for over 10 years and something that was geeky and low level has become mainstream and far more pervasive

The internet will only get faster, more available (i can D/L torrents on my mobile!) hard drives are not going to get bigger and store less data. Typing film/song/ title torrent into google isn't going to get any harder. For God's sake i can walk into a video store scan the barcode of a film with my phone and my home PC will search and D/L it

The only real legislation that could slow this down is castrating the internet to a state where every online submission is reviewed before being published

And of course there is the blindingly obvious fact that whilst legislators might fall over themselves to have meetings with Music and mainstream movie moguls and artists think of all those lovely (vote winning) photo opportunities. An elected politician being associated with the Porn industry in anyway whatsoever FORGET IT

So sadly guys and gals you really are up s**t creek without a paddle

[one eyed jack]

So sadly guys and gals you really are up s**t creek without a paddle

I'm sure the way forward would be to work with the people that create the software.

The guy behind Kazaa ended up working with the BBC to create their iPlayer. Even if it meant the people whose copyright was being infringed were given a little something, even 50p would be good considering they dont have to worry about over head costs per unit.

Thing is this means sitting down with the software owners because one of the things that Kazaa bloke said was that he was trying to create something like itunes but the moment he waved the white flag and popped his head over the parapet it was blown off with law suits which is shy he disappeared like Mad Max into the wastes of Australia where they found him under a riock...Well this is what he said at the seminar at the BVE at Earls Court a couple years ago

Thing is Channel 4 have worked it out by giving it away themselves they can still create a revenue stream to warrant keeping shows like HollyOaks which was actually doing terrible numbers on tv alone until they gave it away for free and realised the trend is changing because of the younger generation.

Are you still following this because this was all said withty he head of C4OD and I wondered if the rest of the world adiopted this new business model that we can find a medium that works for us and those who like to download stuff

Of course the real problem here is how to ringfence it off and make it work.

Thing is the moment you bring in money then all manner of corruption sets in and rogue software will come in to keep it free.

Maybe we are up shit creek with a paddle but we do need to explore ways of making that happen and until then we can look forward to all manner of desperate acts like ACS Law to try and ram the point home that people are trying to do something about it.

Thats how I see it anyway.

They may well be criticised for their methods but at least they can say they tried rather than pontificate its effectiveness.

[Hugh6821]

"The only real legislation that could slow this down is castrating the internet to a state where every online submission is reviewed before being published"

Then you either get small informal networks on the internet, where people are part of lots of different networks. Or considering the cost of HDDs and flashdrives (something you you mentioned), people might swap things IRL, like people used to do, or for that matter send it by regular mail.

Sure, real HD material takes up a lot more space than SD material, but even if the movie is 2Gb you can still fit about 700 of those on a regular sized HDD. Not a lot of sites today that wouldn't fit on a 1.5Tb drive.

"I'm sure the way forward would be to work with the people that create the software."

History is filled with sharing techniques/sites that got old/shutdown/moderated/etc. New techniques/sites replaced those and each time things got harder and harder to control.

The future for the adult industry is live content and direct interaction. Photos and recorded video will be used to promote it.

[Diggler69]

Ok not entirely sure what point you were making about software and some of the other stuff
IE
"Of course the real problem here is how to ringfence it off and make it
work.

If i can see it or hear it on my PC i can copy distribute and pirate it
If i buy the material legally i can do the exact same you will never stop that

Trying to control the internet is like trying to plough the sea or herd cats
IMPOSSIBLE

Now this does interest me !thumbsup!

"Thing is Channel 4 have worked it out by giving it away themselves they
can still create a revenue stream to warrant keeping shows like HollyOaks
which was actually doing terrible numbers on tv alone until they gave it
away for free and realised the trend is changing because of the younger
generation.

I have been asked at least twice what can be done and so far i have had no answer

AFAIK no one in the porn world has tried this (correct me if i'm wrong)

Instead of fighting and try to legislate/penalize piracy (filesharing )
Why not embrace it

EG
As a punter and not a producer i have no idea how realistic these examples are in terms of viability/cost of production etc

I start a new website with 100 original photosets and 20 original video scenes

Instead of sh*****g myself about siterips and torrents

I promote the site by releasing one or more torrents which would include a few sample pix from each photoset and some short HQ clips from my videos
All of these can be used freely anywhere people want to use them
So they could be posted on porntubes and free porn forums (obviously all pix would have the website addr embeded)

How much does website advertizing for a new porn site cost? i have no idea
How much free advertizing would this generate? again no idea

How many paid members would this attract? again no idea

But beyond creating a torrent minimal time, effort, and money

You could also release weekly/monthly whatever update torrents as further promo material

Would these torrents be popular well that's entirely down to the quality of your material

Would this be a financially lucrative sustainable model to adopt? no idea but up to someone to try and find out

Of course you can also use this method to disseminate any sort of PR/advertizing or message about "hey guys if no one buys our material we will go out of business

[Diggler69]

Ok not entirely sure what point you were making about software and some of the other stuff
IE
"Of course the real problem here is how to ringfence it off and make it
work.

If i can see it or hear it on my PC i can copy distribute and pirate it
If i buy the material legally i can do the exact same you will never stop that

Trying to control the internet is like trying to plough the sea or herd cats
IMPOSSIBLE

Now this does interest me !thumbsup!

"Thing is Channel 4 have worked it out by giving it away themselves they
can still create a revenue stream to warrant keeping shows like HollyOaks
which was actually doing terrible numbers on tv alone until they gave it
away for free and realised the trend is changing because of the younger
generation.

I have been asked at least twice what can be done and so far i have had no answer

AFAIK no one in the porn world has tried this (correct me if i'm wrong)

Instead of fighting and try to legislate/penalize piracy (filesharing )
Why not embrace it

EG
As a punter and not a producer i have no idea how realistic these examples are in terms of viability/cost of production etc

I start a new website with 100 original photosets and 20 original video scenes

Instead of sh*****g myself about siterips and torrents

I promote the site by releasing one or more torrents which would include a few sample pix from each photoset and some short HQ clips from my videos
All of these can be used freely anywhere people want to use them
So they could be posted on porntubes and free porn forums (obviously all pix would have the website addr embeded)

How much does website advertizing for a new porn site cost? i have no idea
How much free advertizing would this generate? again no idea

How many paid members would this attract? again no idea

But beyond creating a torrent minimal time, effort, and money

You could also release weekly/monthly whatever update torrents as further promo material

Would these torrents be popular well that's entirely down to the quality of your material

Would this be a financially lucrative sustainable model to adopt? no idea but up to someone to try and find out

Of course you can also use this method to disseminate any sort of PR/advertizing or message about "hey guys if no one buys our material we will go out of business

[Diggler69]

Ok not entirely sure what point you were making about software and some of the other stuff
IE
"Of course the real problem here is how to ringfence it off and make it
work.

If i can see it or hear it on my PC i can copy distribute and pirate it
If i buy the material legally i can do the exact same you will never stop that

Trying to control the internet is like trying to plough the sea or herd cats
IMPOSSIBLE

Now this does interest me !thumbsup!

"Thing is Channel 4 have worked it out by giving it away themselves they
can still create a revenue stream to warrant keeping shows like HollyOaks
which was actually doing terrible numbers on tv alone until they gave it
away for free and realised the trend is changing because of the younger
generation.

I have been asked at least twice what can be done and so far i have had no answer

AFAIK no one in the porn world has tried this (correct me if i'm wrong)

Instead of fighting and try to legislate/penalize piracy (filesharing )
Why not embrace it

EG
As a punter and not a producer i have no idea how realistic these examples are in terms of viability/cost of production etc

I start a new website with 100 original photosets and 20 original video scenes

Instead of sh*****g myself about siterips and torrents

I promote the site by releasing one or more torrents which would include a few sample pix from each photoset and some short HQ clips from my videos
All of these can be used freely anywhere people want to use them
So they could be posted on porntubes and free porn forums (obviously all pix would have the website addr embeded)

How much does website advertizing for a new porn site cost? i have no idea
How much free advertizing would this generate? again no idea

How many paid members would this attract? again no idea

But beyond creating a torrent minimal time, effort, and money

You could also release weekly/monthly whatever update torrents as further promo material

Would these torrents be popular well that's entirely down to the quality of your material

Would this be a financially lucrative sustainable model to adopt? no idea but up to someone to try and find out

Of course you can also use this method to disseminate any sort of PR/advertizing or message about "hey guys if no one buys our material we will go out of business

[rgb]

The principle of releasing vast quantities of free material has been the basis of porn marketing for years.

[Diggler69]

I can't argue with that any website that asks for my money but has not one single preview available is going to be viewed for maybe 30 secs before i leave never to return

My question is have any porn producers embraced torrents

Lots of mainstream people have realised it's cheap and effective potential. but so far i have yet to see a porn torrnet created by a commercial producer

[rgb]

I don't mean just site previews, I mean the TGP sites, "Free" sites etc and even tube sites all of which are really advertising vehicles for site owners. Most porn site advertising is done by affililates.

Have you noticed the number of people who start a thread on here saying "Can anyone identify this cutie" and proceed to list a dozen gallery pages all containing that individual's affiliate code !wink!

The problem with torrents is that the link can't be associated to the affiliate by means of a simple click.