Meeting re HIV & STD certs in the UK industry

[JFT Media]

Over the last few weeks there has been a lot of talk from performers and producers with regards the need for everyone to be fully tested for HIV & STD every 30 days. Because of this we have set up a meeting on the 19th March to discuss the situation.

Full details on

[James323]

In Brighton??
Great for those who live in the north.

[Phil mCc]

In Brighton, Have a day out with us down here, I travel the world for my industry we will pick you up from station arrange accomodation and put on a big enough venue Private enough for this event. Brighton is 52 minuites by train from Victoria It can take longer to go from one end of London to the other, By car Birmingham is 3hours, Manchester 4 approx. A nice room is ?40 or bring a sleeping bag and sleep on my floor

[Phil_h001]

Given the amount of amateur events going on in and around the UK with groups of non-tested males and popular female 'actresses' & co-stars, this meeting could go on for hours!

A few points I'd like to raise would be :-

Will 'actresses' who work outside of the industry for private events be not hired for professional jobs?

Will 'actresses' who are hired by agencies and photostudio's be able to walk if they find out they will be working with a number of untested males for oral / bukkake photoshoots?

Will agencies and photostudios who open events and hire models out to untested males be listed or blacklisted?

I know if I were to phone a number of agencies, I could hire an actress for a private amateur shoot, have full penetration with protection but still finish with a messy facial set - all without a test.

Only once these issues are raised as well as others will the industry be 100% safe.

Well, that's my 2pence

Phil

[JackHorny]

Well... given all this talk on the subject I feel this is an excellent step forward. The whole subject does require some clarity. Whether that will come out of this meeting is another matter - it could indeed be just the first step in a long, laborious process because I for one don't think the 30-day test can work given the current testing/certification infrastructure throughout the country. It could work in and around London - but even then there will be problems.

I wonder if it would be possible to draw up and publish an agenda for discussion?

I'm not at all sure I can attend at the moment - I would very much like to attend and will be making every effort. But with the best will in the world, I am sure that there will be several who have items they'd like to bring to the agenda who wont be able to make it.

So to that end, I wonder if it would be possible to have an agenda published in advance to allow "interested parties" to make submissions by email for consideration?

Speaking as a male performer a considerable distance from London. I know there are issues that concern me. I've mentioned them in previous threads but I'll repeat them here;

1 - Frequency of work. I can go over a month without getting work - that would mean I have to bear the costs involved and suffer a financial loss.

2 - Stud Fees. Males receive substantially less than females in the industry - The recompense I receive for a day long shoot would not cover the costs for obtaining a cert. If we're going to insist on 30-day certs I feel stud fees will need to alter accordingly.

3 - Infrastructure. The industry MUST take into account the difficulty in obtaining certs outside of London. If the industry is going to bring in the 30-day standard then it must endeavour to widem the availability of suitable clinics throughout the country.

My minds gone blank now I've started to list my concerns - typical... But I would welcome the opportunity to be able to make email submissions for the meeting.

Jack

[JFT Media]

Phil

You have raised some very good points. What we are looking at is that the performers will start to think about the health of others and themselves.

I would fully back any performer if they walked off a set if they were asked to work with someone who was not tested.

I think we will find a split in the industry, with performers who will only work on professional sets with other professional performers and the ones who do the amateur work.

If someone wants to get in to the industry, get tested and start to treat it as a real job, then it will treat you better.

I would also think hard about putting out performers to production's that do not sign up and work to the new standards that we are looking to put in place.

Jason Maskell
The Home of UK Adult News

[seymourpussy]

Possibly i'm missing something here, but what is the sudden panic for 30 day testing, has there been a sudden rush of people being infected? Marcus Allen said on a thread the other day in 20yrs in the business he has not known of one case this side of the pond. This link makes quite interesting reading whether you agree or not it raises some pertinent questions.

[JackHorny]

Jason,

I'd like to pose a couple of simple question to you...

Have there been problems with the 90-day certs?

Given that it only takes a fraction of a day to pick up a nasty - isn't 30-days is a long time too?

Do you not forsee logistical and financial nightmares ahead for performers like myself who get work infrequently but have always respected the integrity of their certificate?

How do you propose to ease the burden on models getting infrequent work and living outside of London - or are you simply not interested in these folk?

[paul jones]

What I think you should also be discussed is the question of the Eastern European girls. Come May they'll all be heading our way, and much as I'd love to play with them....

There is a lot of HIV out there, lots of the girls escort etc (much more than here). Fake certs are easy to get. So no EE cert can be trusted.

It takes 3 months for HIV to appear. (Not sure about the other STDS, days? weeks?)

So for three months in the Uk they could be infected but have clean certs. It makes a stud think with more than his dick....

The same could be said of any new person, but it's about risk - British girls have very low HIV rates. Eastern European ones have a much higher rate.

Will all the agents and producers simply decide not to use these Euro cuties? I doubt it - they've all been raving about them in other threads.

Someone mentioned another test in the US - PCR? PCB? Does that work much faster than 3 months? Can it be done in the UK? Maybe that would help this issue.

[Rem]

Jason I don?t see the point of involving the producers in this, are you not all adults and able to take care of your own interests?. Why should I as producer call off a shoot because someone does not have a certificate? Just think back to the reason for these certificates, it had nothing at all to do with AIDS or any other disease. They were introduced for one reason, simply to help prevent producers in the USA from being barraged with legal action from performers who might contract something. No one has ever cared about the health aspect of performers in this business, least of all the performers, it was not the performers who instigated the requirement for certificates I have never once heard it discussed between producers, or between producers and cast. Like everything else, the basis was in the money. There is neither history of AIDS in this business in this country nor any other country. Yes there have been some isolated cases in the states but I would guess the statistics would show this business has no greater incidence than any other, maybe less and it?s nothing to do with certificates.
The performers are telling us how grown up they are, let them take care of it, it simply is not my problem. As for not putting out performers to producers who do not comply with some new ideas I have to tell you they will just go without you. It?s about time people took responsibility for themselves and stopped putting things onto the shoulders of others.
If I book performers for a session from you I expect you to send them out fully equipped to do the job. If that means they need a certificate then that?s your problem. While we are on the subject, if you want to take a responsible attitude then agree to recompense producers with the money they lose when models don?t show and they have to change a shoot day or use someone who is not their first choice. That has just happened on two occasions to me. (Not from you I must add) Tell the performers exactly what the job is and not give them half the story, explain to them that a tatty dress does not constitute suitable clothing, get them to wash and tell them a days work is a days work not something that starts when they get there and ends when they feel the need to go, explain to them that just because they had a heavy night with the love of their life they will still be expected to get it together. These people are supposed to be professional, lets expect them to act like it