are you stupid or somethyin?
When submitted to the BBFC the work had a running time of 120m 36s.
To obtain this category cuts of 15m 15s were required., some or all of these cuts were substitutions. The cuts were Compulsory., The cuts were Cuts for category.
Cuts required to remove sight of urolagnia (in this case urination into mouth and onto face) and aggressive and violent sexual behaviour (eg face slapping, hair pulling, buttock punching, forcible restraint during sex) in accordance with BBFC Guidelines and current interpretation of the Obscene Publications Act 1959
If I remember correctly, the evil angel version had no urolagnia (?) - I do remember a gorgeous long leggy blonde somewhere (whew!)
Kelly's Way to love - passed by BBFC!
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Matt
Re: Kelly's Way to love - passed by BBFC!
Phew! Good old BBFC.
Do you really want to see someone being forced to do stuff while getting spat upon and slapped? I hope not.
Matt
Do you really want to see someone being forced to do stuff while getting spat upon and slapped? I hope not.
Matt
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joe king
Re: Kelly's Way to love - passed by BBFC!
I've been reading bits of 'Hard Core' by Linda Williams (very interesting book, bit difficult as it has references to lots of postmodernists -e.g. Foucault, Lacan etc).
'Do you really want to see someone being forced to do stuff...'
Are they being 'forced' or are they actors? Is the 'victim' also in power?
So, do you want to see someone shot up (insert movie)? sliced up(insert movie)? pissed on(insert any 'max hardcore',xstream title, street and panty pisser? 'Tortured' (insert any BDSM movie)?
Say I said yes. What would that mean?
Suggest you read the book (it is very good)
'Do you really want to see someone being forced to do stuff...'
Are they being 'forced' or are they actors? Is the 'victim' also in power?
So, do you want to see someone shot up (insert movie)? sliced up(insert movie)? pissed on(insert any 'max hardcore',xstream title, street and panty pisser? 'Tortured' (insert any BDSM movie)?
Say I said yes. What would that mean?
Suggest you read the book (it is very good)
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marcusallen
Re: Kelly's Way to love - passed by BBFC!
Too fucking wierd for me. I'm old fashioned-like fucking, sucking wanking etc.(Not to mention drinking whilst atit all)
Freedom of expression is great as we all know, but this kid got about ?250-300 for this (do'nt tell me enjoyed it, that is not the point) and she is now known to the world for it.
It is VERY fine line between sex and abuse.
I'm sure we've gone this route before.
Freedom of expression is great as we all know, but this kid got about ?250-300 for this (do'nt tell me enjoyed it, that is not the point) and she is now known to the world for it.
It is VERY fine line between sex and abuse.
I'm sure we've gone this route before.
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Matt
Re: Kelly's Way to love - passed by BBFC!
Thanks for the recommendation, sir. It's on the list of things to read. Currently I'm half way through Laurence O'Toole's "Pornocopia" which I'd recommend right back atchya 
I understand the point you're making and the answer to all your questions is no, I don't want to see anybody getting pissed on, sliced or shot up. However, the attraction of hardcore pornography is surely the stimulas of seeing real people having real sex. That's why we buy the videos and DVD's we do, not sufficient simply to spend our ?7.99 yearly for sattelite subscriptions.
Hollywood movies require a different kind of willing suspension of disbelief that you can't realistically contrast with h/c porn. Not only do we watch both for very different reasons, our psychology is different as well. There's a greater willingness to convince ourselves that what is happening is real with porn. That's different from going to the cinema, where at no poiont during Reservoir Dogs did you ever think it was some kind of documentary.
I'm not getting moralistic on anyone here - it's up for us each to decide where we draw our own lines, but I don't really accept the argument and the old "don't you realise it's just fantasy" doesn't hold up either - it's a cop-out to the real question which is about the fanatasy in the first place.
Say you said yes... what would that mean? That's a question for yourself.
Matt
I understand the point you're making and the answer to all your questions is no, I don't want to see anybody getting pissed on, sliced or shot up. However, the attraction of hardcore pornography is surely the stimulas of seeing real people having real sex. That's why we buy the videos and DVD's we do, not sufficient simply to spend our ?7.99 yearly for sattelite subscriptions.
Hollywood movies require a different kind of willing suspension of disbelief that you can't realistically contrast with h/c porn. Not only do we watch both for very different reasons, our psychology is different as well. There's a greater willingness to convince ourselves that what is happening is real with porn. That's different from going to the cinema, where at no poiont during Reservoir Dogs did you ever think it was some kind of documentary.
I'm not getting moralistic on anyone here - it's up for us each to decide where we draw our own lines, but I don't really accept the argument and the old "don't you realise it's just fantasy" doesn't hold up either - it's a cop-out to the real question which is about the fanatasy in the first place.
Say you said yes... what would that mean? That's a question for yourself.
Matt
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zasuna
Re: Kelly's Way to love - passed by BBFC!
just because someone agreed to do it does not make it right.just think about it for a moment.so the bbfc will pass pissing soon no doubt what next fisting,ok, but the line must be draw somewhere .some people are a bit too keen on getting this kind of stuff out there,whats wrong with a good old fashioned fuck.
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joe king
Re: Kelly's Way to love - passed by BBFC!
is this starting to lead to ... "I'm not in support of censorship but..." - my position is that censorship is basically illogical.
'just because someone agreed to do it does not make it right'
'Right' in what sense? Why should it be 'right' for a government institution to cut what I might want to see?
'so the bbfc will pass pissing soon no doubt '
You are a bit late... see Barely Legal #1 and #2 (for pissing) and Rocco's Sex trainer for 4 finger 'fisting'.
'some people are a bit too keen on getting this kind of stuff out there'
Some people are a bit too keen to cut to shreds what other people don't like.
'whats wrong with a good old fashioned fuck'
Nothing.
'just because someone agreed to do it does not make it right'
'Right' in what sense? Why should it be 'right' for a government institution to cut what I might want to see?
'so the bbfc will pass pissing soon no doubt '
You are a bit late... see Barely Legal #1 and #2 (for pissing) and Rocco's Sex trainer for 4 finger 'fisting'.
'some people are a bit too keen on getting this kind of stuff out there'
Some people are a bit too keen to cut to shreds what other people don't like.
'whats wrong with a good old fashioned fuck'
Nothing.
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marcusallen
Re: Kelly's Way to love - passed by BBFC!
Joe,
You really are lovely man in spite of it all. Your last line in your last post says it all-as of course does the rest of it.
Slow down on fighting the battles of the world vis-a-vis BBFC, DS, C&E etc. You'll end up with a heart attack.
My considered medical opinion is that you should replace your appoplexy with scotch.
If this (FREE) med advice is ignored; mail me privately & I'll tell you who to make the beneficiary of your will)
You really are lovely man in spite of it all. Your last line in your last post says it all-as of course does the rest of it.
Slow down on fighting the battles of the world vis-a-vis BBFC, DS, C&E etc. You'll end up with a heart attack.
My considered medical opinion is that you should replace your appoplexy with scotch.
If this (FREE) med advice is ignored; mail me privately & I'll tell you who to make the beneficiary of your will)