whos going to buy an id card?

[planeterotica]

swampthing wrote:

> maybe someone can make this clickable
>
>
>
> looks like we are going to be forced to pay ?60 just so we can
> prove we are who we say we are. i dont know when you need to
> prove who you are nowadays but seemingly you will have to in
> the near future.
>
> we will living in a britian where you are guilty unless you can
> prove otherwise.

planeterotica wrote:

Well hopefully this stupid goverment will be kicked out before they can force us to carry an ID card.

[andy at handiwork]

swampthing wrote:

i dont know when you need to
> prove who you are nowadays but seemingly you will have to in
> the near future.


Before long it will become indispensible to have one, because one of the reasons they are being forced on us is to create an audit trail of our contacts with semi and full officialdom. So, open a bank account, go to the chemist with a prescription, make a major purchase on credit, have hospital treatment, get a 'producer' next time the police stop you, query a local council bill, collect a parcel from the PO, and so on, and you will have to show the iD card which will be swiped and leave a clear record that you were there and why. Coupled with storing internet and phone details and the other surveillance measures NL have or intend to introduce, and not a single action of your day will be unavailable for the state to build up a circumstantial case against you. Once a system like this, which is far more invasive and sinister than those in operation in other countries, is in place the possibilities for abuse are legion. Internal exile, (which of course we have had in the past in N Ireland), action against certain sections of society, removal of public service provision from undesirables. Until a couple of elections ago, I held my nose and placed my 'x' in the Labour box. Never again. Of all the shit this bunch have foisted on us recently, ID cards is the issue that more than almost any other has determined me never to support NL in any election, local or national.

[andy at handiwork]

> swampthing wrote:
>
> Well hopefully this stupid goverment will be kicked out before
> they can force us to carry an ID card.


Sadly they have made it very difficult and expensive with the contracts they have with the companies providing the infrastructure for a new administration to ditch the scheme. I say cancel it and let them sue.

[Robches]

I wouldn't stop at having just the one ID card, I'm sure I can come to an arrangement with the Saturday girl at Max Spielmann's to get me a colection of the fuckers, they'll come in handy for opening bank accounts. Why bother stealing ID's when you can buy them at the local chemist for thirty quid?

New Labour, Authoritarian Bullshit Merchants.

[johnsix]

Yep, The counterfeiters will be first in the queue to grab samples so they can be reverse engineered. How long before all the Manc crims start flashing them like American Express cards.

[JonnyHungwell]

I'll never have one because I don't trust the government with my info.

[andy at handiwork]

That in itself is a very good reason not to be in favour of the bloody things. What is as important is the power this measure will put in the hands of a future, less benign government to oversee, control and interfere in our privacy and lives. These cards are capable of including, and will, a whole range of details about us that will be readable everytime it is swiped, which it will be everytime we have to produce it. It will allow a picture of our life to be built up from which we will have no escape. Its no good saying that ones Tesco card does the same. I wont be sent to prison for not having a Tesco loyality card or a credit card.

All credit to the airline pilots who are refusing to have anything to do with it. Resist now. It might be too late soon.