Porn Industry Targets Torrent Users

[Floydoid]

paul markham wrote:

> The questions you have to ask yourself is.
>
> Do I want to pay so others can pirate?
>
> Or
>
> Do I want others to pay so I can pirate it?


... Or, do I want to pay because I believe in supporting the artists & producers?

[Diggler69]

AFAIK ACS has taken no one to court all they rely on is threatening letters and frightened people with no knowlege of the law or how the internet works. There are a few unscrupulous firms that use these methods it's like spam mail cheap, nasty but effective
I use torrents but the ISP service account is in my landlords name, on top of that about 6 people use the network and for a long time the wifi was secured by W.E.P encryption which a computer savvy 10 year old could hack in 15 mins.
So if my landlord recieved a threatening letter my advice would be to reply "F**k off or prove it".If they persued the matter i would enquire which one of the machines on the network was responsible oh and P.S who was sitting at the machine and operating it. An Ip address by itself is useless.Examine someones PC find the copyrighted material and yes you have a case, this is how most legal experts think a court case would pan out. Of course as you would have ample warning that someone would be trying to issue a court order to examine your P.C and router hey why not do a D.O.D security wipe on your hard drives and for good measure reset your router and use an open wifi connection. Zero proof and anyone within 50m of your router could use your connection so how would you prove it wasn't one of those unknown people piggybacking of your connection
Sorry guys but copyright died a long time ago if the combined forces of national governments, the combined multi-multi billion $ PC games, recording and film producers can't even close TPB then you have no chance. Also if you do crackdown on torrenting then the technology already exists to swap files untraceably

[Diggler69]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/se ... ng-acs-law

this will give you an idea of the competence of ACS

The use of increasingly desperate tactics only indicates one thing

[The Bear up a tree]

paul markham wrote:

> Yes that's of another case. This thing will snowball. Pirates
> are going to have to be careful.
>
>

sorry paul. it's all over mate. law firms won't touch this with a barge pole. this ACS will be out of business very shortly. it's defamation of character as proving it in court is near impossible. anyone sent a letter needs only to refute the allegation and the law firm can do fuck all. this leak has put the nail in the coffin of this type of hit and run tactic.

[paul markham]

Then what do you suggest the porn industry does to slowly whithering away?

In the last 10 years the porn industry has been devestated by piracy. And it's still continueing. If you want to keep viewling good quality porn someone has to buy it. This board which is free for you to post on IS PAIF FOR BY PEOPLE WHO BUY PORN, It will be one of the casualties of piracy.

Free only works while someone is willing to pay, as more and more become unwilling to pay. Free will disappear.

[jj]

... not to mention that the thread's title should have read something like: "very
small, rich, part of the industry targets a very few torrenters using ineffectual,
dubious and probably illegal methods" : 0-))

I find it mildly amusing/ironic that members of possibly the dodgiest biz going
should seek redress from the very Law which many of them so frequently seek to
flout.
Still, it all adds to the Gaiety of Nations.....

[Dave Wells]

Regretfully Paul, me old friend there is no solution it seems. The demise (particularly here in the UK) of this once great business that attracted people like yourself and indeed me many years before has been staggering in it's severity. A few survive and a few will continue to do so but with profits so minimal now it won't be many. Of course porn will survive and go on in some form or another but the 'new' way we all thought we would make loads of money - the 'tinterweb' is looking like it will actually murder the business !

[Diggler69]

Sadly i have no answer to that -:(

But here are some observations which i believe to be true and are almost never mentioned by copyright owners

No one has an accurate view of how torrenting effects the porn, music, film etc businesses it's an illegal activity so all claims to % and $ lost are purely guesswork to promote their argument. Claims that the porn/film/music industries will disappear are just bullshit the same claims were made for blank audio/video cassettes and DVD,s. The world changes you have to adapt, a status quo will be reached if you can't adapt you go extinct your fault no one else is to blame.

So how does piracy effect your product well imagine you have seen James Cameron,s latest film on your P.C as a torrent you weren't a fan of his and no way were you going to pay $10 to see it in a cinema but now you want to see it big screen with HQ sound
Kerching he is getting money he would not have got without that illegal torrent
How much would it cost to pay for all the free PR & advertizing generated by that torrent, i have no idea, no one does

Personally if pirated material was totally unavailable then 90% + of the "freebies" i have i would not purchase period

So if you make a porn film and 5000 legitimate copies are purchased but 10000 pirated copies are D/L for free how does this effect you

You don't know!

In a piracy free world maybe you would have only sold 3000 copies, people do aquire material legitamately, join websites, pay to see a band live in concert purely because they have seen/heard pirated material

It's a very difficult topic and generally speaking the industries involved are totally failing to come to terms with it

Their general reaction is to run around screaming that the "sky is going to fall down", pursue increasingly futile attempts to criminalise and prosecute their customers and use technology like DRM which simply fails 5 minutes after a new method has been implemented

The internet is a golden opportunity for content providers, no more physical content which needs to be produced in a factory, shipped, transported and sits on a shelf uselessly until purchased and it gives you a vastly superior medium for distribution/PR and advertising

Thank god i'm a consumer and not a producer -;)

[one eyed jack]

Diggler 69 made a very good point that I have shared in some fiercely debated moments on this very topic.

Piracy has always been with us and sure there is some kind of loss that adds up from the many that do it.

But I can also see Pauls point that while he may not share the same view as those who are signed to ACS Law that some people are trying to do something about it by at least trying to do something about it and you cant blame them for trying because while many will debate the moral ethics of it the point is it generates a push to actually trying to do something about it and bring it to the attention of many that may slow it down

I dont think this way will impact much but bear in mind companies like ACS Law are prvoviding this service for free so their clients have the chance to see if it makes a difference or not.

Just talking about it is not proof enough. At least when the smoke clears people can say we've been there and done that and it didnt work.

Sure its unpleasant for soem of those grannies and blokes on the dole who happen to have the internet but I notice its always the sob cases that people latch onto.

Its unfortunate that in the war on anything there will always be casualties and its always the shit stirrer that shout the hardest about this kind of injustice.

Do they in turn have evidence that most of the people it is aimed at may be actually guilty of it too?

[one eyed jack]

JJ wrote:

I find it mildly amusing/ironic that members of possibly the dodgiest biz going
should seek redress from the very Law which many of them so frequently seek to
flout.


I can see where you are coming from but dont exactly share your sentiment knowing there is nothing dodgy about my business in this business.

The very people seeking redress are probably the same as me in that they pay their taxes, pay models and pay through the nose to produce adult content and do not get any concessions.

I doubt the part timers in it for a bit of fun would give a hoot and it seems this business is being divided by those who dont pay the girls much to put their stuff on adult work and clips4sale are the same ones who point fingers at the big companies.

Let me put it another then.

You bought yourself a nice car that cost you a lot of money then some whippersnapper hotwires it for a joy ride. You complain about your car being stolen but the scum bag whippersnapper who jeers that you have money and he doesnt and feels its one up for the poor socialist movement agaisnt the capitalist rich pig.

Its amusing and ironic how we see things differently when it suits us.

I guess thats human nature JJ.

You cant blame people for making an attempt to protect their corner.