Loads of people including newbie producers with sitessee their meager earnings as a bonus to what they earn from their full time jobs and dare I say it is part of the problem impacting on the industry and driving prices down for the models.
This is another reason why a lot of models dont like working for some type of amateurs. Thing is pro producers pick up on this andhave reduced their rates accordingly as well so this whole problem has a ripple effect on the business at large.
Torrenting is really a blip on the industrys problem but plays a part in the plethora of other problems that have converged on the producer in recent years
TFP
free shoots
adult work
webcams
...etc etc have all contributed to the erosion of the porn business infrastructure
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...and the other swift kick in the nuts is the rising unemployment.
its more tempting to get your free porn than pay for it if you dont have much money on creature comforts like porn site sign ups
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"Interesting that disclaimer given you can find a section on a well known forum which have every conceivable paysite in their own seperate threads all be it with %^&*()#@$ in the title"
Yes well people will play their little cat & mouse games to avoid detection, from what i've seen the more proactive producers will find their material no matter how obfuscated the model name or website is
"Strangely enough this forum even if your on its banned list
still allows uploads of banned material"
Yes i have noticed this and found it rather odd but i think this is partly explained by the mechanics of how a forum works
Say material by Hustler.com is posted and a DMCA is recieved, the material is removed usually pretty quickly as the last thing these forums want is any sort of legal action which they would inevitably lose and would make a serious hole in there i guess very meagre profit margin
So how could they stop further infingements of Hustlers copright and further legal hassles?
Well their hands are pretty much tied to the somewhat ineffectual "Banned list" which moderators are supposed to police by removing offending posts
But surely you cry there are other ways they could prevent further Hustler.com material being posted
Well there are methods but in my opinion they are either impracticable, too damned expensive or would in effect mean virtually nothing was posted anywhere online
They could run a script that blocks Hustler.com or porn star name X being posted but people could simply circumvent this by the aforementioned %^&*()#@$ in the title
Software could be run to block content with a signature that matched banned content so in practise content providers would have to provide the signatures for all their material and someone would have to pay for all this software. Not going to happen
A human being would have to vet every submission before it was posted online
Well apart from the obvious time and cost do you really want a castrated internet where you are not allowed to post a picture of your grannies pet cat fluffy unless some human has checked that it's not infringing someones copyright
I also think forums tend to operate a fairly cavalier attitude to infringing peoples copyright, lets face it without this material there would be no forums to speak of. I have to assume as well that repeated DMCA,s and legal threats from a major player with a reputation for being litigious and the cash to go to court are taken far more seriously than the odd DMCA from some minor league porn monger
Another point worth mentioning is that some copyright owners simply either do not give a damn about about these forums, cannot be botherd with the hassle of tracking down their materials misuse online, are possibly deceased, or totally oblivious to how their material is being used. So an awful lot of material jsut sits on forums, file and picture hosts for years with no complaints
Of the pornstars that i actually go out of my way to collect and buy their material one in particular who is incredibly popular online has worked with literally hundreds of different photographers and studios, yet over her 10 year porn career to my knowledge only about 4-5 complaints have been made about online copyright abuse of her material this is despite virtually every photoset and video of hers being on free forums for years
If that is typical then i have to assume that there are an awful lot of copyright holders who after initially making money from their website other sites, magazines etc fall into the don't care, can't be bothered, oblivious to the fact categories
"One wonders why some forums get the court order to close and others
seemingly operate in their own little bubbles with impunity"
Not 100% sure about how the law works with regards to shutting down a forum for copyright abuse but i guess that as long as DMCA notices are acted upon swiftly and you do not ignore outright removal requests the pattern of material posted, material removed due to DMCA repeated over and over could go on for years
"Heres to the next file host(filesonic) cash reward implosion"
I second that about 2 years ago someone was raving to me about "Usercash"
After going to the trouble to read their terms and realize how miniscule their payouts were i felt rather smug when they crashed leaving millions of orphaned thumbnails all over the web
Yes well people will play their little cat & mouse games to avoid detection, from what i've seen the more proactive producers will find their material no matter how obfuscated the model name or website is
"Strangely enough this forum even if your on its banned list
still allows uploads of banned material"
Yes i have noticed this and found it rather odd but i think this is partly explained by the mechanics of how a forum works
Say material by Hustler.com is posted and a DMCA is recieved, the material is removed usually pretty quickly as the last thing these forums want is any sort of legal action which they would inevitably lose and would make a serious hole in there i guess very meagre profit margin
So how could they stop further infingements of Hustlers copright and further legal hassles?
Well their hands are pretty much tied to the somewhat ineffectual "Banned list" which moderators are supposed to police by removing offending posts
But surely you cry there are other ways they could prevent further Hustler.com material being posted
Well there are methods but in my opinion they are either impracticable, too damned expensive or would in effect mean virtually nothing was posted anywhere online
They could run a script that blocks Hustler.com or porn star name X being posted but people could simply circumvent this by the aforementioned %^&*()#@$ in the title
Software could be run to block content with a signature that matched banned content so in practise content providers would have to provide the signatures for all their material and someone would have to pay for all this software. Not going to happen
A human being would have to vet every submission before it was posted online
Well apart from the obvious time and cost do you really want a castrated internet where you are not allowed to post a picture of your grannies pet cat fluffy unless some human has checked that it's not infringing someones copyright
I also think forums tend to operate a fairly cavalier attitude to infringing peoples copyright, lets face it without this material there would be no forums to speak of. I have to assume as well that repeated DMCA,s and legal threats from a major player with a reputation for being litigious and the cash to go to court are taken far more seriously than the odd DMCA from some minor league porn monger
Another point worth mentioning is that some copyright owners simply either do not give a damn about about these forums, cannot be botherd with the hassle of tracking down their materials misuse online, are possibly deceased, or totally oblivious to how their material is being used. So an awful lot of material jsut sits on forums, file and picture hosts for years with no complaints
Of the pornstars that i actually go out of my way to collect and buy their material one in particular who is incredibly popular online has worked with literally hundreds of different photographers and studios, yet over her 10 year porn career to my knowledge only about 4-5 complaints have been made about online copyright abuse of her material this is despite virtually every photoset and video of hers being on free forums for years
If that is typical then i have to assume that there are an awful lot of copyright holders who after initially making money from their website other sites, magazines etc fall into the don't care, can't be bothered, oblivious to the fact categories
"One wonders why some forums get the court order to close and others
seemingly operate in their own little bubbles with impunity"
Not 100% sure about how the law works with regards to shutting down a forum for copyright abuse but i guess that as long as DMCA notices are acted upon swiftly and you do not ignore outright removal requests the pattern of material posted, material removed due to DMCA repeated over and over could go on for years
"Heres to the next file host(filesonic) cash reward implosion"
I second that about 2 years ago someone was raving to me about "Usercash"
After going to the trouble to read their terms and realize how miniscule their payouts were i felt rather smug when they crashed leaving millions of orphaned thumbnails all over the web
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So O.E.J
Do you think if i spent less than 23 hours a day w*****g away on chatroulette that would help the industry !idea!
Do you think if i spent less than 23 hours a day w*****g away on chatroulette that would help the industry !idea!
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"If these lawyers were serious about helping the industry and not just themselves they'd be targetting the 3rd parties that are obviously reaping real financial benefits...there must be a massive legal loop hole somewhere for monster 1 stop forums to be able to carry huge threads of individual paysites out in the open in your face not to mention every other type of entertainment music,tv,books etc"
The lawyers are more interested in making money than stopping the problem. Considering the share of the "fine" they are getting and the work involved, they are never going to be interested in stopping the problem. They get to send out threatening letters and get 80%. And since the chance of getting caught or fined is absymal, people will continue to download. The industry is getting used. Let me know when the law firms actually are interested in going after the enablers, be it the bigger torrentsites or filehosts, doing actual work.
Right now the industry is working with ambulance chasers.
"Heres to the next file host(filesonic) cash reward implosion"
And it will get replaced. Filehosts get replaced when they go offline, cash schemes get replaced, filesharing networks get replaced. One big problem, for the industry, is that when the latter get replaced, they get improved. Remember Napster? Centralized and unencrypted? Since then we got decentralized filesharing that anyone can set up, and encrypted filesharing networks are getting more popular right now.
Sure you can fight, it's your right, but if you're actually are ablae to "win" then the result will be chilling for everyone, not only the pirates.
The kind of surveillance state that would be needed for a "win" is nothing but terrifying, not to mention that it then, in an instant, could shutdown the porn industry. And it most likely will.
The lawyers are more interested in making money than stopping the problem. Considering the share of the "fine" they are getting and the work involved, they are never going to be interested in stopping the problem. They get to send out threatening letters and get 80%. And since the chance of getting caught or fined is absymal, people will continue to download. The industry is getting used. Let me know when the law firms actually are interested in going after the enablers, be it the bigger torrentsites or filehosts, doing actual work.
Right now the industry is working with ambulance chasers.
"Heres to the next file host(filesonic) cash reward implosion"
And it will get replaced. Filehosts get replaced when they go offline, cash schemes get replaced, filesharing networks get replaced. One big problem, for the industry, is that when the latter get replaced, they get improved. Remember Napster? Centralized and unencrypted? Since then we got decentralized filesharing that anyone can set up, and encrypted filesharing networks are getting more popular right now.
Sure you can fight, it's your right, but if you're actually are ablae to "win" then the result will be chilling for everyone, not only the pirates.
The kind of surveillance state that would be needed for a "win" is nothing but terrifying, not to mention that it then, in an instant, could shutdown the porn industry. And it most likely will.
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"TFP
free shoots
adult work
webcams
...etc etc have all contributed to the erosion of the porn business infrastructure"
That's actually blindingly obvious but a very good point
I wonder if 10 or more years ago you had told the early innovators, uptakers of commercialised online porn that in 10 years virtually anyone anywhere in the world could upload material from a mobile phone that would encroach on "their" cash cow
"and the other swift kick in the nuts is the rising unemployment."
As a punter in every sense of the word one thing i have noticed is that every run up to Xmas or everytime unemployment rises then the ads in local papers for "massage services" rises appreciably
Your choice on a limited budget pay to view porn or the occasional hands on "happy ending"
I know which i prefer !whistle!
Much as anyone who is making money online from porn has to love the internet they have to realize it's not controlable, it's ever changing and new competition will constantly be fighting for market share
Maybe read Darwin to give yourself some tips and strategy advice !wink!
Nature is after all in a constant state of warfare for survival
free shoots
adult work
webcams
...etc etc have all contributed to the erosion of the porn business infrastructure"
That's actually blindingly obvious but a very good point
I wonder if 10 or more years ago you had told the early innovators, uptakers of commercialised online porn that in 10 years virtually anyone anywhere in the world could upload material from a mobile phone that would encroach on "their" cash cow
"and the other swift kick in the nuts is the rising unemployment."
As a punter in every sense of the word one thing i have noticed is that every run up to Xmas or everytime unemployment rises then the ads in local papers for "massage services" rises appreciably
Your choice on a limited budget pay to view porn or the occasional hands on "happy ending"
I know which i prefer !whistle!
Much as anyone who is making money online from porn has to love the internet they have to realize it's not controlable, it's ever changing and new competition will constantly be fighting for market share
Maybe read Darwin to give yourself some tips and strategy advice !wink!
Nature is after all in a constant state of warfare for survival
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"Sure you can fight, it's your right, but if you're actually are ablae to "win" then the result will be chilling for everyone, not only the pirates.
The kind of surveillance state that would be needed for a "win" is nothing but terrifying, not to mention that it then, in an instant, could shutdown the porn industry. And it most likely will.
About the only country in the world which could impose the kind of restictions needed to fight this to my knowledge is North Korea!
So all those in favour of Kim Jong-un as president of the world raise your hands !adolf!
The kind of surveillance state that would be needed for a "win" is nothing but terrifying, not to mention that it then, in an instant, could shutdown the porn industry. And it most likely will.
About the only country in the world which could impose the kind of restictions needed to fight this to my knowledge is North Korea!
So all those in favour of Kim Jong-un as president of the world raise your hands !adolf!
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"About the only country in the world which could impose the kind of restictions needed to fight this to my knowledge is North Korea!"
North Korea does that by almost having no internet at all.
Look at China, they are trying their hardest to suppress the news about the Nobel Peace Prize being awarded to a dissident. And they are failing at it.
So to actually accomplish this, the porn producers would need to saw off the branch they are sitting on (a lot of them would not be in business if it weren't for the internet).
And then the whole tree would wither and die.
North Korea does that by almost having no internet at all.
Look at China, they are trying their hardest to suppress the news about the Nobel Peace Prize being awarded to a dissident. And they are failing at it.
So to actually accomplish this, the porn producers would need to saw off the branch they are sitting on (a lot of them would not be in business if it weren't for the internet).
And then the whole tree would wither and die.
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Interesting you should mention China on one of the porn forums i moderate for i checked out the IP addr of a prolific "cash for D/L poster", it showed up as a University in China so despite presumably not only "The great firewall of China" and his university blocking porn sites he had no problems uploading someone elses material
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Music industry dismayed by failure in Irish filesharing case
Failed attempt by record companies to enforce 'three strikes' rule against illegal filesharers 'a setback for Irish music business' - but judge backs tracking method
filesharing-ireland-high-court
It does seem rather odd if he is backing IP addresses as a way of tracking people why does he say in the Judgement
"I will refer in detail to the fact that
a substantial portion of its 150,000 customers, or the children in
their teenage and twenties years of these customers, are using
the internet service provided by UPC to steal copyright material
which is the property of the recording companies."
Doesn't seem to make sense to me if an IP addr identifies an adult as being the account holder then he seems to think only them and their children aged 13-29 could be responsible so any children > 30 or < 13 spouses friends, neighbours, hackers using the network are discounted!!
Failed attempt by record companies to enforce 'three strikes' rule against illegal filesharers 'a setback for Irish music business' - but judge backs tracking method
filesharing-ireland-high-court
It does seem rather odd if he is backing IP addresses as a way of tracking people why does he say in the Judgement
"I will refer in detail to the fact that
a substantial portion of its 150,000 customers, or the children in
their teenage and twenties years of these customers, are using
the internet service provided by UPC to steal copyright material
which is the property of the recording companies."
Doesn't seem to make sense to me if an IP addr identifies an adult as being the account holder then he seems to think only them and their children aged 13-29 could be responsible so any children > 30 or < 13 spouses friends, neighbours, hackers using the network are discounted!!