Misguided about Tory voters.

[RoddersUK]

Spot on porn historian
I don't own a company but I have been a hands on bloke for most of my life and though I now get people to open equipment up for inspection I am basically still the same bloke, and I like a few pints with my mates in my local.

[Zorro]

Tax evasion does not cost the government anything, they just don't receive anything.

Benefit fraud costs actual money because money has been paid out.

There is a big difference.

But forgetting that here is my 2 pence.

The problem with this country is that a lot of Labour voters, no matter that their party has taken this country to the point of breaking, will not vote anything else. I keep hearing the same old same old, I am a Labour voter always have been always will be. That attitude has got us where we are today.

I just cannot believe anyone could have voted Labour this general election, it is beyond belief. All Labour voters should have voted for anything else, Brown and Labour fucked the country for 13 years, no matter what you party allegiances are on this occasion everyone should have realized change is the only way forward.

A hung parliament is a disaster, the sooner there is a reelection the better.

[Sam Slater]

[quote]Tax evasion does not cost the government anything, they just don't receive anything.[/quote]

It's still seen as a loss and those losses are taken into account when governments cobble together budgets and taxes. It seems more likely that claiming the estimated ?15-30 billion a year extra would affect peoples' taxes much more than the cutting the estimated ?0.8-1 million paid out in benefit fraud and immigrants.

[quote]The problem with this country is that a lot of Labour voters, no matter that their party has taken this country to the point of breaking, will not vote anything else. I keep hearing the same old same old, I am a Labour voter always have been always will be. That attitude has got us where we are today.[/quote]

I'm sorry, but many Conservative voters are like this too. I guess many more Labour voters, compared to Tory voters, are shop assistants, delivery drivers and factory workers. Government policy affects more than just their savings account and holiday decisions. They can affect what you can afford to eat in the week or how long you dare leave the heating on. Small changes while close to the bread line can be much more significant. Given the circumstances of some voters, I forgive them their, sometimes, blind bias.

[quote]I just cannot believe anyone could have voted Labour this general election, it is beyond belief. All Labour voters should have voted for anything else, Brown and Labour fucked the country for 13 years, no matter what you party allegiances are on this occasion everyone should have realized change is the only way forward.[/quote]

I don't know what you mean by 'fucked the country'. Crime is at it's lowest for 30 years, more kids have the opportunity to go to university than ever before, NHS waiting lists are nowhere near what they were during the last two Tory terms in office, less kids have to share maths and english books between two and three others like they had to pre '97. Things aren't ideal, sure, but I wouldn't agree with 'fucked'.

[quote]A hung parliament is a disaster, the sooner there is a reelection the better.[/quote]

That's what the right-wing press want you to believe. The facts don't seem to back this up. Just look at the countries that commonly have coalition governments: Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Italy, Ireland, Japan, Switzerland, Austria and Luxembourg... Now compare these countries with the countries that have economies with the highest GDP per capita, or countries that come highest human development index (measuring living standards):





Zorro helped the weak and saw through the bullshit. Zorro wouldn't have believed everything Rupert Murdoch fed him.

[David Johnson]

To paraphrase the great Gordon Brown, saviour of the world financial system

I agree with Sam

"I don't know what you mean by 'fucked the country'. Crime is at it's lowest for 30 years, more kids have the opportunity to go to university than ever before, NHS waiting lists are nowhere near what they were during the last two Tory terms in office, less kids have to share maths and english books between two and three others like they had to pre '97. Things aren't ideal, sure, but I wouldn't agree with 'fucked'."

I agree with Sam. Perhaps it woudl have been a good idea to vote for them given this litany of success?


Cheers
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[Sam Slater]

[quote]I agree with Sam. Perhaps it woudl have been a good idea to vote for them given this litany of success?[/quote]

Yes, it would. But I'm disappointed with Labour about other things. I don't want trident, they've not done enough to narrow the gap between the rich and poor, they let the banking system become too powerful.....and I don't like Labour's policy on immigration. I prefer the Lib Dems' policy of amnesty for those that have been here a long time, and want to contribute to our society. I actually think Labour think this is a good policy too, but are too scared of what the general public think. That's why I admired Clegg's standing....refusing to back down on his principles in spite of the public's opinion while he was being judged on national tv. But, also, I think Gordon Brown isn't a very good PM. By that I mean as the 'face', or 'symbol' of a country. I like Gordon, don't get me wrong, but I liked him as a chancellor. He's a nerd, confident in book-keeping and fine details, but I don't think he has the charisma and character to be really likeable. He'd have been a great PM in a time when we only had radio and black & white print. Again, this isn't me 'having a go' at him. It's just unfortunate that us Brits judge just as much on character as we do on intelligence and know-how. I'd have Brown back as chancellor, or a similar post in the blink of an eye (no pun intended).

In the end I realised that there were more policies I agreed with the Lib Dems on than Labour. I didn't agree with Lib Dem policies on europe, the war, and their blank refusal to build more nuclear power stations, but I knew they wouldn't take us into the Euro without a referendum, and they wouldn't bring back the soldiers too early and leave Afghanistan in such a mess, so my only gripe was their stance on nuclear energy. Pretty simple really. My constituency swung to the Lib Dems by a decent 10.8% too, so I wasn't the only one. And that swing had nothing to do with tactical voting because the Tories only got around 12% of the vote; traditionally they get even less.

[RoddersUK]

Trouble is with a lot of comments on here are they seem to stem from a lot of jealous people with blinkered views on the Conservatives. After the way I have been shafted by Tony B Liar and the one eyed idiot Broon I am in no mood to support further Labour governance.
As far as I am concerned the Clegg followers are in cloud cuckoo land along with the other idealists the Greens. Green is the right word for them because they are green behind the ears.
I am no lover of Thatcher and what she did but, since her, and it grieves me to say it, there has been no one of any worth to lead any government.
The last true and honourable Labour leader was Jim Callaghan, and unfortunately, with the Millibands and Ed fucking Balls who have now infested the Labour party, we will never see the like of Sunny Jim again.

[Sam Slater]

That's great, Rodders. You're entitled to your views.

But isn't it 'Sonny Jim'?

[RoddersUK]

I don't think so. I'm sure it was Sunny Jim because of his usually happy countanance.

[Sam Slater]

Yes, you're right. Bloody Brits and their sarcastic nicknames and sense of humour! Shoot the lot of the bastards is what I say! !laugh!

Sunny Jim it is. You told me.